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Toy Story 3 Short, Feautring Todd and Frida from ULHS 2006

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  • Posted Saturday, October 23, 2010
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I can't believe this hasn't shown up on Yehoodi yet!

So if you haven't yet, check out this video from the Ultimate Lindy Hop Showdown 2006, and watch Todd and Frida's first phrase dancing:

Now after seeing that, check out this Toy Story 3 Short, with Woody and Jessie Dancing, and you should notice something similar:

Did you notice that it's the exact same steps?!

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  • Post #1
  • Originally posted Saturday, October 23, 2010 (3 years ago)

Verrrrry interesting.

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  • Post #2
  • Originally posted Saturday, October 23, 2010 (3 years ago)

Alright, who passed this along to Bleeding Cool?

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #3
  • Originally posted Sunday, October 24, 2010 (3 years ago)

Makes sense to me that this clip would be what inspired the animators. It went viral a couple of years ago and so kind of exists in the public non-dancing realm.

Someone commented in the YouTubes that the clip was taken from Dancing With the Stars dancers. I don't know if I buy that - I haven't seen any of those pros perform any real Lindy Hop. shrug

ArtDancingWriting Blog

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  • Post #4
  • Originally posted Sunday, October 24, 2010 (3 years ago)

On DWTS when "The Lindy" or whatever they called it was featured a few seasons ago it seemed like the "pros" just found clips on Youtube. I don't watch the show. I only watched the Lindy segment with commentary from a few seasons ago on-line and two of the pros seemed to take bits and pieces of Groovie Movie and mashed it in with Ballroom Jive. It's possible someone on DWTS ripped it from the ULHS clip.

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  • Post #5
  • Originally posted Monday, October 25, 2010 (3 years ago)

The person who said this was ripped off DWTS had no idea what they were talking about. The clip was filmed in 2006, long before DWTS ever did a "lindy hop" episode.

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  • Post #6
  • Originally posted Monday, October 25, 2010 (3 years ago)

Red, here's that comment just for our information, from the orginal poster of the video. He's not actually from Disney or whoever.

But far as I know, the animators do act out alot of the stuff that you see. For Buzz and Jessie's dance they got two people from Dancing With The Stars to literally do the dance that you see in the movie. They taped it and animated it in their own way piece by piece. I have a few videos uploaded that shows it. As for the sound I'm not sure, but I know it's a process and a half. Lots of hard work. :)

I think it's [i]possible[/i] that pro dancers watched Todd & Frida and then re-performed it for the animators. However, like I said, I've never seen any of those pros do passable Lindy Hop before. (Does Lacey Schwimmer lindy?) But, when the toys do the airstep combination, they are shown doing it from the same angle that Todd & Frida are shown making me think that the clip was probably more heavily relied upon than Mr. Commenter believes.

I guess it's all pretty irrelevant though. Not Terrible Example of Lindy Hop in the Public Media = Happeh.

ArtDancingWriting Blog

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  • Post #7
  • Originally posted Monday, October 25, 2010 (3 years ago)

Ah. So the DWTS pros may have been asked to replicate T&F's choreography for motion capture. That makes more sense.

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  • Post #8
  • Originally posted Monday, October 25, 2010 (3 years ago)
Response to MadMabley in post #6 Show

Yes, they got some of the Dancing with the Stars Pros to do the Latin dance moves for Buzz and Jesse. They made no mention of how they did Woody and Jesse though. Considering this was a small clip that was never intended to be in the movie, it seems like a reasonable deduction that the animators simply used the ULHS 2006 clip (as someone else mentioned, the only Lindy Hop clip that's gone "viral") as inspiration.

Reuben Brown - www.JiveJunction.com - Southern California

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  • Post #9
  • Originally posted Tuesday, October 26, 2010 (3 years ago)

I used YouTubeDoubler and screen grabs to do a more shot-by-shot analysis.

Check it out here.

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  • Post #10
  • Originally posted Tuesday, October 26, 2010 (3 years ago)

FYI the Toy Story 3 Clip originally aired as a short as part of the the theatrical rerelease/double feature of Toy Story and Toy Story 2.

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  • Post #11
  • Originally posted Wednesday, October 27, 2010 (3 years ago)
Response to Capt Morgan in post #10 Show

So, what you're say is that it's not a "Toy Story 3 clip" or a "clip from Toy Story 3" or a "Toy Story 3 Dance Scene" as everyone on Facebook is re-posting... ;)

Those are awesome grabs Rik!

Reuben Brown - www.JiveJunction.com - Southern California

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  • Post #12
  • Originally posted Thursday, October 28, 2010 (3 years ago)
Response to GuruReuben in post #8 Show

Thank you, for that... I was wondering how people were missing that key bit of the comment.

My only concern was that they made it look like she wasn't having any fun :(

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  • Post #13
  • Originally posted Friday, October 29, 2010 (3 years ago)
  • Edited on Friday, October 29, 2010 3:48 pm (3 years ago)

Because there are a lot of people on this board who live in California, it shouldn't be all that difficult to solve this mystery. The animated clip was made at the Pixar facility, located in the greater San Francisco area. It's possible contacting someone low on the food chain at either the Disney animation studio in Anaheim or the Pixar facility in San Francisco could put one in touch with the right people. Or the guy who made the film "Waking Sleeping Beauty" who isn't all that hard to get to talk to you. (Don't have time this afternoon to look up the proper name here - but it's not hard to find. This guy knows big bunches of people in Disney animation and might know the answer to "where did this dance routine really come from" himself.)

Edited to add-- If the Disney/Pixar folks aren't willing to fess up on this, a possible reason why is this: It's obvious they used the clip - and probably did so without formally asking for permission. The dance moves themselves are common enough that I don't think they can be considered "intellectual property" in the legal sense. But when you add exact camera moves, and positioning of characters within the frame, the issue of intellectual property and permission to use it can conceivably come up - with regard to the clip from Lindylibrary.com . If memory serves, people filming at ULHS have so sign an agreement that gives "ownership" of the filmed material to ULHS (mostly, it seems, to keep people from selling it for money without making some kind of arrangement). Lindylibrary.com gives the clips away for free and has never been told not to by Amy or anyone else associated with ULHS, nor has anyone tried to sell these clips to make a profit or (with this possible exception) used them in a way to generate substantial amounts of income.

Frankly, I think that to cross t's and dot i's, the Disney/Pixar folks should acknowledge to ULHS that they did indeed use clips filmed under Amy's "ULHS owns what you film here" agreement so that the clip's use in Toy Story 3 can be used for bragging rights and publicity by ULHS and the film makers.

(FWIW - Amy and the ULHS crew have created a system that doesn't make them any cash but makes clips like these easily available to the Lindy Community almost immediately. Although that means that videos like this are not in and of themselves a "profit center", the amount of good will they generate is tremendous. For event organizers, sometimes good will is more valuable than cash. Perhaps Buddy Steves and the Houston Swing Dance Society should take heed about how well this has worked out for ULHS over a number of years and consider doing things that way in the future for events like Frankie 95).)

"A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having" - V

McQ McQ
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  • Post #14
  • Originally posted Friday, October 29, 2010 (3 years ago)

I kind of suspect that Disney/ABC is not "fessing up" because they are a lot more interested in promoting DWTS than some relatively obscure Lindy Hoppers.

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  • Post #15
  • Originally posted Friday, October 29, 2010 (3 years ago)
Response to McQ in post #14 Show

That may very well be the reason, but that isn't what the law says they should have done. Yes, they probably did use DWTS dancers to capture motion for 3D animation, but they also seem to have modeled the camera angles, framing, position of the dancers, and a portion of the exact routine done by the dancers on a video that DWTS doesn't own and have the rights to.

It probably wouldn't be worth it to make a federal case (literally) out of this - Disney has top-of-the-line intellectual property attorneys on staff who might be able to make a good case in court to "prove" that all this is just a coincidence or something along those lines. Or claim that their animated sequence "is a satire" of the original clip (protected under the Fair Use Doctrine).

But Todd, Frieda, and ULHS deserve to get at least some acknowledgment for being the original creator of this sequence as filmed. Although proving it in court may not be possible, what with all of Disney's high powered lawyers and all, just about anyone seeing the two clips can see what happened here. Using material from the original video without permission and failing to give credit to the creators of this video (which include the performers who choreographed the routine) for the use of the fruits of their labor, is plagiarism. It may be hard to prove in court, but this is an ethical issue as well as a legal issue. Disney, if asked, should at the very least admit that yes, this clip is based on a performance by Todd and Frieda and also give credit to the film makers and ULHS. Doing that much wouldn't cost Disney a cent. And it's the right thing to do.

"A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having" - V

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  • Post #16
  • Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2010 (3 years ago)

They are now using a clip of the clip to sell Toy Story 3 dvds. Keep an eye out for it near the end of the commercial.

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  • Post #17
  • Originally posted Tuesday, November 23, 2010 (3 years ago)

Video to compare :-)

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