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  Marvel vs. DC

  • Posted Over 10 years ago
  • by Larry

I am a geek. I have always admitted it. I don't see why some people think I am 'cool' when I love my old comic books. Anyway, now that only fellow geeks are reading this thread. Let's get on with a debate... Marvel is just so much better than DC. I will just list a few reasons... Spiderman…

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  • Post #871
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)

Yeah, I just saw online that Captain America will die. That seems like shooting yourself in the foot. It was one thing to kill off Phoenix (but of course "bring her back" in various storylines) because her character hadn't been around for decades like the Captain, but it's another to kill off a staple of the Marvel Universe. Anyway, they'll bring him back too, they always do.

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  • Post #872
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Just Jesse"
Yeah, I just saw online that Captain America will die. That seems like shooting yourself in the foot. It was one thing to kill off Phoenix (but of course "bring her back" in various storylines) because her character hadn't been around for decades like the Captain, but it's another to kill off a staple of the Marvel Universe. Anyway, they'll bring him back too, they always do.

Jean was in <i>Uncanny X-Men</i> 1 in 1963. That's a lot of decades.

-- M

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  • Post #873
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "FoolsRun"
Quoted from "Just Jesse"
Yeah, I just saw online that Captain America will die. That seems like shooting yourself in the foot. It was one thing to kill off Phoenix (but of course "bring her back" in various storylines) because her character hadn't been around for decades like the Captain, but it's another to kill off a staple of the Marvel Universe. Anyway, they'll bring him back too, they always do.
Jean was in <i>Uncanny X-Men</i> 1 in 1963. That's a lot of decades. -- M

Dark Phoenix Saga was something like 1980, so less than two decades. Still not the run that Captain America's had, but it's not nothing either.

I still say that characters get shot with minimal repercussions all the time in this medium. Plus, Brubaker's already done it at least once before.

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  • Post #874
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)

Cap started his modern legacy by "Dying" anyway.

They killed off cap... but he still exists in the Ultimate universe and Marvel is going to try (AGAIN) and make a captian america movie.

My hope with that movie is that they make him super strong and all but put him either in WWII OR now in war as more of a spec ops kind of guy/platoon leader... kind of like a Jedi in the clone wars.

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  • Post #875
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)

Bought it. Read it. Unimpressed.

Planning on getting about 25 bucks on ebay for it.

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #876
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 7, 2007 (7 years ago)

I guess the New York Times is trying to make some kind of statement about the death of civil liberties in the U.S. Okay, fine.

But it's on the front page of the web version for now, and I'm gonna be a little disappointed / weirded out, if the story actually shows up on the front page of tomorrow's NYT. :dunno:

Quoted from "The New York Times"
March 8, 2007 Captain America Is Dead; National Hero Since 1941 By GEORGE GENE GUSTINES Captain America, a Marvel Entertainment superhero, is fatally shot by a sniper in the 25th issue of his eponymous comic, which arrived in stores yesterday. The assassination ends the sentinel of liberty s fight for right, which began in 1941. The last episode in Captain America s life comes after the events of Civil War, a seven-issue mini-series that has affected nearly the entire line of Marvel s library of titles. In Civil War, the government began requiring superheroes to register their services, and it outlawed vigilantism after supervillains and superheroes fought during a reality show, accidentally killing hundreds of civilians. The public likened the heroes to weapons of mass destruction that must be controlled. The registration act polarized the superhero community. Captain America (whose true identity was Steve Rogers) considered the legislation an erosion of civil liberties; Iron Man, on the other side, believed that training heroes as the military, firefighters or the police are trained would only benefit society. When the factions came to blows and caused more destruction, Captain America chose to fight his battle in court.
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  • Post #877
  • Originally posted Thursday, March 8, 2007 (7 years ago)

Spidey died last year but he.. uh got better.

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  • Post #878
  • Originally posted Tuesday, March 13, 2007 (7 years ago)

Out of all the possible epilogues to Civil War, this is pretty funny. :spineyes:

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  • Post #879
  • Originally posted Wednesday, March 14, 2007 (7 years ago)

Johnathan Last's obituary for Captain America here on Opinion Journal:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009780

That's a bit more a rosy than this essay from three years ago on "The Betrayal of Captain America" and the sorry state of symbolism of blaming America first (pdf document reader needed):

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=166189

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #880
  • Originally posted Friday, March 16, 2007 (7 years ago)

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #881
  • Originally posted Friday, March 16, 2007 (7 years ago)

In other news, finished Civil War late and was underwhelmed by the story's pacing and of course the obligatory "Tony Stark is a douchebag" ending. Pretty weak though I confess I adored the art through out the series and it's the one thing that kept me coming back.

I have also picked up the Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born and let me just say that the Lee/Isanove combo, along with Peter David staying true to the tone of the book's language is nothing short of perfection.

The latest issue of Astonishing X-Men, 20 (again, I'm getting to these late) was solid and I like where they're taking the confrontation with the Breakworld, though I can already sense an impending doom of having to see Collosus get killed again and a return to the status quo which will just utterly depress me. Anyone else feeling the same thing?

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #882
  • Originally posted Friday, April 27, 2007 (7 years ago)

Well, 52 wraps up next week in what looks to be a humdinger of an issue. With the exception of the WORLD WAR III spinoff issues, the series has been a resounding success in my opinion. Great storytelling, always shipping on time. I hope Marvel was paying attention.

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #883
  • Originally posted Wednesday, May 2, 2007 (7 years ago)

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #884
  • Originally posted Wednesday, May 2, 2007 (7 years ago)

Marvel.

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  • Post #885
  • Originally posted Sunday, May 6, 2007 (7 years ago)

Speak only if you can improve the silence. - Quaker saying (via @Rikomatic)

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  • Post #886
  • Originally posted Friday, May 11, 2007 (7 years ago)

52 made me feel good. I'm not sure how I feel about Countdown yet. I have my Buddy Baker action figure.

I thought Civil War was kind of lame, but I'm enjoying some of the stories that have come out since then. I really dug Matt Fraction's Spectacular Spider-man annual.

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  • Post #887
  • Originally posted Friday, May 11, 2007 (7 years ago)

Speaking of Fraction and Brubaker, I think Iron Fist is my favorite superhero comic right now. It's 17 kinds of awesome.

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  • Post #888
  • Originally posted Friday, May 11, 2007 (7 years ago)

It's weird, because I dig Fraction's work, and I dig Brubaker's, but I wish Fraction were writing Immortal Iron Fist all by himself. Their work is so opposite to me. But yeah, that book is awesome.

Hopefully everyone here has read Criminal. That's a seriously beautiful book.

And if you're not reading Casanova...

It's ambrosia. It's made up of equal parts James Bond, Jerry Cornelius and Dr. Strange.

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  • Post #889
  • Originally posted Friday, May 11, 2007 (7 years ago)

I just bought the Criminal TPB and I'm in the middle of it. It's good, and completely different than what I expected.

I lost interest in Casanova after issue 3, it seemed way more convoluted than it needed to be. :dunno:

I really enjoy Ba's artwork though, and enjoyed FCBD's Umbrella Acadamy. I'll be giving that a try when it comes out for real.

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  • Post #890
  • Originally posted Thursday, May 17, 2007 (7 years ago)

Just getting all that Jerry Cornelius love in Casanova... It has to be convoluted, but honestly I don't think it was much tougher than the first issue. Casanova is all the cool [bleep!] you never see in the same room together. Each issue is like someone took Planetary and squished it into a single book.

In the meantime:

Here's my interview with Steve Seagle, all about American Virgin! Virgin Territory, part 1

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  • Post #891
  • Originally posted Wednesday, May 23, 2007 (7 years ago)

Part 2: God's Plan and the Three Act Structure

including a preview for tomorrow's new release!

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  • Post #892
  • Originally posted Thursday, July 19, 2007 (7 years ago)

From the Who Wants to be a Superhero Season 2 wrap party:

The poor guy was trying to sit and eat in the VIP booth and people kept coming up to him. Of course, I was one of them.

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  • Post #893
  • Originally posted Monday, September 10, 2007 (7 years ago)

I know there are Y The Last Man readers here.

Issue 58.

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  • Post #894
  • Originally posted Monday, September 10, 2007 (7 years ago)

Haven't read it yet, but should get to it in the next day or two.

I'm so ticked that they went to bi-monthly for the last arc, just because BKV was working on Lost now.

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #895
  • Originally posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 (7 years ago)

Saw the Iron Man preview during The Daily Show tonight. And I've got to tell you, it looks friggin' awesome.

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  • Post #896
  • Originally posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 (7 years ago)
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  • Post #897
  • Originally posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 (7 years ago)

Iron Man not only looks awesome, but the recent "Director of Shield" storyline (now in TBP) was well written and indeed, gripping, which is something I never thought I would say reading an Avengers' member book, as I have never been an Avengers fan.

This aside the "Marvel &amp; DC: Afterhours" on You Tube has been particularly strong.

I have to ask does anyone watch the old Justice League Unlimited on You Tube (well it's not really old per se)? It's fantastic.

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #898
  • Originally posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "DCjumper"
I have to ask does anyone watch the old Justice League Unlimited on You Tube (well it's not really old per se)? It's fantastic.

I have to pick those up on DVD; I have the entire Batman Animated Series and Superman Animated Series, and the Justice League stuff is, obviously, a direct sibling (same creative team, must of the same cast).

Plus in season 3 or 4 there was an episode which was, essentially, the finale to Batman Beyond. It was an unbelievably good episode.

There's also an episode somewhere in there written by Warren Ellis.

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  • Post #899
  • Originally posted Monday, October 1, 2007 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "FoolsRun"
Quoted from "DCjumper"
I have to ask does anyone watch the old Justice League Unlimited on You Tube (well it's not really old per se)? It's fantastic.
I have to pick those up on DVD; I have the entire Batman Animated Series and Superman Animated Series, and the Justice League stuff is, obviously, a direct sibling (same creative team, must of the same cast). Plus in season 3 or 4 there was an episode which was, essentially, the finale to Batman Beyond. It was an unbelievably good episode. There's also an episode somewhere in there written by Warren Ellis.

FR, the episode to which you refer is entitled "Epilogue", whose only real connection in the JLU continuity is the presence of one Ms. Amanda Waller of Cadmus. Waller plays a key role in explaining why the world needs a Batman. That episode has arguably one of the more heartrending scenes of the entire series, where Batman comforts a dying Ace. Watch it.

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #900
  • Originally posted Tuesday, October 2, 2007 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "DCjumper"
Quoted from "FoolsRun"
Quoted from "DCjumper"
I have to ask does anyone watch the old Justice League Unlimited on You Tube (well it's not really old per se)? It's fantastic.
I have to pick those up on DVD; I have the entire Batman Animated Series and Superman Animated Series, and the Justice League stuff is, obviously, a direct sibling (same creative team, must of the same cast). Plus in season 3 or 4 there was an episode which was, essentially, the finale to Batman Beyond. It was an unbelievably good episode. There's also an episode somewhere in there written by Warren Ellis.
FR, the episode to which you refer is entitled "Epilogue", whose only real connection in the JLU continuity is the presence of one Ms. Amanda Waller of Cadmus. Waller plays a key role in explaining why the world needs a Batman. That episode has arguably one of the more heartrending scenes of the entire series, where Batman comforts a dying Ace. Watch it.

Oh I've seen it! I watched it on TVLinks minutes after I first learned about it. I was and am a Timm/Dini Batman Universe devotee and that episode finishes off the entire Batman franchise, from "On Leather Wings" through Beyond and Return of the Joker with grace and, as always, a very serious understanding of Batman.

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