Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not have fun at sex driven, bump and grind blues, dance to crappy music after parties!!!! Alcohol is fine, sex with someone you love is fine, blues is wonderful, but this crap that has existed for so long in our beloved scene(s) is re-god-damn-diculous.
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Originally posted Wednesday, January 14, 2004 (8 years ago)
Yea- I have lots of fun though anyway- and my intentions were never sexual to begin with...but I havent been involved that long, so I cant say that I've ever seen all that you are talking about anyway -I know it exists, but since I havent been exposed - I dont feel as though I am raging against something if I agree with you...
Originally posted Wednesday, January 14, 2004 (8 years ago)
Yea- I have lots of fun though anyway- and my intentions were never sexual to begin with...but I havent been involved that long, so I cant say that I've ever seen all that you are talking about anyway -I know it exists, but since I havent been exposed - I dont feel as though I am raging against something if I agree with you...
Originally posted Wednesday, January 14, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "dpezz" Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not have fun at sex driven, bump and grind blues, dance to crappy music after parties!!!! Alcohol is fine, sex with someone you love is fine, blues is wonderful, but this crap that has existed for so long in our beloved scene(s) is re-god-damn-diculous.
Want to get back to when the dance and the music inspired you to be better?
Want to regain the passion that dance once brought into your life?
Want to get back to a time when the best thing about lindy hop was the people and their politeness?
Want to just dance and have some damn fun???[/list:u:98c46995c6]
If you are with me, post and let your voice be heard!!!
-Danny Boy
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
I'm not opposed to chocolate sauce as a general rule but I don't particularly see that it has a place on the dance floor. Maybe I'm just old and/or naive. As for blues dancing, I think my sig line covers the subject well enough.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "jester" ...and over there we have the regression back to junior high
It was fun the first time, I'm over it.
Is that music I hear, hey wanna dance?
well that's the point isn't it? We are free to go and experience the scene at our comfort level. If all you want to do is dance. That's okay. If you want to party hard as well, where there are outlets for that too...
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Newboy" I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
There's a diff between moral and prudish..... The problem is that line is diff for everyone. I'm from Colorado too and believe me, if you want a wild party you just got to find the right folks.
And sometimes the music and dancin IS about sex.....that's why lindy and jazz were verboten back in the day!!!!
Guess you guys have never been to Monsters....God you guys would have had heart attacks!!!! :wink:
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Every dance is about flirting, just with music. How far you go is your own desicion. While dancing slow and in close proximaty, I personally try to convey the mixture of the music with my emotion to the follow. If you don't like going to parties where people literally make-out on the floor, then don't go. You don't have to be at every event.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "dpezz" Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not have fun at sex driven, bump and grind blues, dance to crappy music after parties!!!! Alcohol is fine, sex with someone you love is fine, blues is wonderful, but this crap that has existed for so long in our beloved scene(s) is re-god-damn-diculous.
Want to get back to when the dance and the music inspired you to be better?
Want to regain the passion that dance once brought into your life?
Want to get back to a time when the best thing about lindy hop was the people and their politeness?
Want to just dance and have some damn fun???[/list:u:8f9d87d2a7]
If you are with me, post and let your voice be heard!!!
-Danny Boy
I'll agree with Pezz here. I've gotten tired of the blues gorging. It's fine after a while, but I think we realize what blues is about. Also, people appreciate variety. STLBX was good (in my opinion) because of the variety of music (at least tempo). Not to bash on LOLX, but that was exchange was degrading. I know people are into that and don't care what others think, but my statement is out there now. More to be said, but that's all for now.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Newboy" I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
Those parties exist. We're just lucky that we have a diverse enough scene that people can have a good time with them, or a good time with alternative activities.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to watch Livia spank Jessie some more...
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Have y'all ever been to a topless beach like in France or whatnot (speakin' to the guys here)? The first time you go, it's really a titillating experience (heh heh, he said "titillating.") But for the people who live there, it's no big deal. Or at least, not as big a deal.
I think there's some analogy here wrt lindy scenes. If they're fairly new, sometimes they can become overly focused on the party/sex/theatrics side of things. It's like, the guys are all like "woah, I can touch girls and not get slapped! Cool!" and a torrent of hormones gets unleashed and it snowballs and explodes in a giant gusher of... wait, where was I?
Austin went down this path. Early on, I think we got a reputation as a really party-focused scene. Once people became aware of that, there was sort of a counter-reaction and over time it's become fairly nicely balanced, imho. We still have folks like Party Matt to keep things lively, but we also have a nice group of hardcore kickass dancers. The popularity of our exchanges attests to both sides of that equation.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
I agree with all that has been said about how partying should be a choice. What do you do about the reputation that follows the partying? Not the rep. of the individual, but the rep. of the scene.
Quote Not to bash on LOLX, but that was exchange was degrading.
There's evidence right here that the actions of a few can create a reputation for an entire scene, regardless of how many people in the scene actually participated. What do you do if you're part of a scene that has a party reputation, but you choose not to party? It still should be your choice, even though other people have different expectations of you since you're from a scene that has a rep. for partying. Do you have a right to ask people in your scene to change their partying behavior (make it more private, talk about it less) for the good of the scene?
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
This is why I like the way SoFLeX is planned. Our after-parties have two rooms, one for people that are all about the close blues dancing and one for people that are very focused on avoiding it. When we only have one room, the sexy music is reserved for the end of the evening because it reflects the verbalized preference of the dancers that usually "close down the joint." The djs also usually play one blues, one lindy, etc. so that it's fair to people who aren't voicing their opinion.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
I might seem like a hypocrite here, seeing as how I have thrown some really questionable parties over my time in the scene, but I've never seen it this bad. My favorite parties were always a select group of people that faded from the main event to get some drinks and see where the night might take us. Everything was very casual. Sometimes, they got out of hand, but mostly it was just friends that wanted to have a good time and chill.
For all the crazy parties I've attended in Austin, I never once got laid. How's that?
But now, the dogma of the party'ers seems to be encroaching on everything else. It's become something to flaunt at dancers, a kind of "we're here, we're queer" mantra that is fairly obnoxious. I DJed LOLX last year and after the stripping session, promptly got in my car, slept in the front seat and drove back to Dallas in a blinding rainstorm.
Parties are one thing and dancing is another. Anyone who knows me knows that I am pretty proficient at either one. But there are limits.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "mousethief" I might seem like a hypocrite here, seeing as how I have thrown some really questionable parties over my time in the scene, but I've never seen it this bad. My favorite parties were always a select group of people that faded from the main event to get some drinks and see where the night might take us. Everything was very casual. Sometimes, they got out of hand, but mostly it was just friends that wanted to have a good time and chill.
For all the crazy parties I've attended in Austin, I never once got laid. How's that?
But now, the dogma of the party'ers seems to be encroaching on everything else. It's become something to flaunt at dancers, a kind of "we're here, we're queer" mantra that is fairly obnoxious. I DJed LOLX last year and after the stripping session, promptly got in my car, slept in the front seat and drove back to Dallas in a blinding rainstorm.
Parties are one thing and dancing is another. Anyone who knows me knows that I am pretty proficient at either one. But there are limits.
Kalman
Ohhh Kalman, could I tell stories about some of your parties.... :wink:
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
I'm all for people wanting to do whatever the hell they want. But when I have to watch a bunch of topless dancers cavort around the floor, then they've crossed the line. We should not tolerate it - I don't give a goddamn if they are the organizers.
I don't mind people making out, it's making a feature of the event that I have issues with.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
The very fact that "blues dancing" has a negative connotation at all in this day and age should be an alarm bell. In the 30s, maybe, but in the age of free porn and easy sex? Something is deeply wrong.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "julius" The very fact that "blues dancing" has a negative connotation at all in this day and age should be an alarm bell. In the 30s, maybe, but in the age of free porn and easy sex? Something is deeply wrong.
Man, I hate that Blues has come to this. I teach blues, I love to dance Blues, but it truly sucks that people really equate Blues Dance with some sort of chocolate covered sex-fest.
I'll be the first to admit that blues can be sexy and bawdy, and downright suggestive, but the music most often speaks in inuenndo and never quite crosses that line. The dance should reflect that. If all you do is sit in closed position and do various body rolls, you just ain't blues dancing.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
i've taken ONE blues lesson in my life and the teacher stressed that open position and traveling was a part of blues too.
and yet all i see are people standing in one spot and doing the palm tree.
if people treated blues as a dance to be learned like lindy hop, i doubt many people would object to its prevalence. but then, maybe it wouldn't be so prevalent if people discovered that it's more than grinding.
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Newboy" I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Newboy" I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
Originally posted Thursday, January 15, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "julius" i've taken ONE blues lesson in my life and the teacher stressed that open position and traveling was a part of blues too.
and yet all i see are people standing in one spot and doing the palm tree.
Here, here!! While I can appreciate the closed position of a blues dance, some of the blues dancing I've witnessed has shown very little originality or creativity. Yet it surprises me how some of those same people would brag about their blues dancing skills just cause they think rubbing up against someone is a trained skill.
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Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not have fun at sex driven, bump and grind blues, dance to crappy music after parties!!!! Alcohol is fine, sex with someone you love is fine, blues is wonderful, but this crap that has existed for so long in our beloved scene(s) is re-god-damn-diculous.
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ul>Want to get back to when the dance and the music inspired you to be better? Want to regain the passion that dance once brought into your life? Want to get back to a time when the best thing about lindy hop was the people and their politeness? Want to just dance and have some damn fun???[/list:u:5f937c4550] If you are with me, post and let your voice be heard!!!
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Yea- I have lots of fun though anyway- and my intentions were never sexual to begin with...but I havent been involved that long, so I cant say that I've ever seen all that you are talking about anyway -I know it exists, but since I havent been exposed - I dont feel as though I am raging against something if I agree with you...
Yea- I have lots of fun though anyway- and my intentions were never sexual to begin with...but I havent been involved that long, so I cant say that I've ever seen all that you are talking about anyway -I know it exists, but since I havent been exposed - I dont feel as though I am raging against something if I agree with you...
I can't Danny ... I have too much of a crush on you ...
No one said you have to GO to the parties......
And who invited you anyways? :wink:
...and over there we have the regression back to junior high
It was fun the first time, I'm over it.
Is that music I hear, hey wanna dance?
I'm not opposed to chocolate sauce as a general rule but I don't particularly see that it has a place on the dance floor. Maybe I'm just old and/or naive. As for blues dancing, I think my sig line covers the subject well enough.
well that's the point isn't it? We are free to go and experience the scene at our comfort level. If all you want to do is dance. That's okay. If you want to party hard as well, where there are outlets for that too...
exactly
if you want to dance, go to a dance
if you want to party, go to a party
if you want to dance and party, find the right after party
see it all works out, well sometimes
I think Dpezz is completely right. It's about the music, not the sex. I'm in Denver, and we have a very moral scene out here, sure we have blues, but not sexy after parties. And anyone who lindy hops would agree with me that, there are some dances (not just blues) where I really wanted a cigarette afterwards. You go Dpezz! Keep on truckin' and show 'em what swinging's all about!
Uh, that handle is a little too close for comfort there pal.
Damnit! I'm not even PG-13!
There's a diff between moral and prudish..... The problem is that line is diff for everyone. I'm from Colorado too and believe me, if you want a wild party you just got to find the right folks.
And sometimes the music and dancin IS about sex.....that's why lindy and jazz were verboten back in the day!!!!
Guess you guys have never been to Monsters....God you guys would have had heart attacks!!!! :wink:
Every dance is about flirting, just with music. How far you go is your own desicion. While dancing slow and in close proximaty, I personally try to convey the mixture of the music with my emotion to the follow. If you don't like going to parties where people literally make-out on the floor, then don't go. You don't have to be at every event.
I'll agree with Pezz here. I've gotten tired of the blues gorging. It's fine after a while, but I think we realize what blues is about. Also, people appreciate variety. STLBX was good (in my opinion) because of the variety of music (at least tempo). Not to bash on LOLX, but that was exchange was degrading. I know people are into that and don't care what others think, but my statement is out there now. More to be said, but that's all for now.
Those parties exist. We're just lucky that we have a diverse enough scene that people can have a good time with them, or a good time with alternative activities.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to watch Livia spank Jessie some more...
Have y'all ever been to a topless beach like in France or whatnot (speakin' to the guys here)? The first time you go, it's really a titillating experience (heh heh, he said "titillating.") But for the people who live there, it's no big deal. Or at least, not as big a deal.
I think there's some analogy here wrt lindy scenes. If they're fairly new, sometimes they can become overly focused on the party/sex/theatrics side of things. It's like, the guys are all like "woah, I can touch girls and not get slapped! Cool!" and a torrent of hormones gets unleashed and it snowballs and explodes in a giant gusher of... wait, where was I?
Austin went down this path. Early on, I think we got a reputation as a really party-focused scene. Once people became aware of that, there was sort of a counter-reaction and over time it's become fairly nicely balanced, imho. We still have folks like Party Matt to keep things lively, but we also have a nice group of hardcore kickass dancers. The popularity of our exchanges attests to both sides of that equation.
I agree with all that has been said about how partying should be a choice. What do you do about the reputation that follows the partying? Not the rep. of the individual, but the rep. of the scene.
There's evidence right here that the actions of a few can create a reputation for an entire scene, regardless of how many people in the scene actually participated. What do you do if you're part of a scene that has a party reputation, but you choose not to party? It still should be your choice, even though other people have different expectations of you since you're from a scene that has a rep. for partying. Do you have a right to ask people in your scene to change their partying behavior (make it more private, talk about it less) for the good of the scene?
This is why I like the way SoFLeX is planned. Our after-parties have two rooms, one for people that are all about the close blues dancing and one for people that are very focused on avoiding it. When we only have one room, the sexy music is reserved for the end of the evening because it reflects the verbalized preference of the dancers that usually "close down the joint." The djs also usually play one blues, one lindy, etc. so that it's fair to people who aren't voicing their opinion.
Tamar :wink:
I might seem like a hypocrite here, seeing as how I have thrown some really questionable parties over my time in the scene, but I've never seen it this bad. My favorite parties were always a select group of people that faded from the main event to get some drinks and see where the night might take us. Everything was very casual. Sometimes, they got out of hand, but mostly it was just friends that wanted to have a good time and chill.
For all the crazy parties I've attended in Austin, I never once got laid. How's that?
But now, the dogma of the party'ers seems to be encroaching on everything else. It's become something to flaunt at dancers, a kind of "we're here, we're queer" mantra that is fairly obnoxious. I DJed LOLX last year and after the stripping session, promptly got in my car, slept in the front seat and drove back to Dallas in a blinding rainstorm.
Parties are one thing and dancing is another. Anyone who knows me knows that I am pretty proficient at either one. But there are limits.
Kalman
I am totally against these kinds of parties.
If only because I'm never invited to these types of parties.]
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Ohhh Kalman, could I tell stories about some of your parties.... :wink:
I'm all for people wanting to do whatever the hell they want. But when I have to watch a bunch of topless dancers cavort around the floor, then they've crossed the line. We should not tolerate it - I don't give a goddamn if they are the organizers.
I don't mind people making out, it's making a feature of the event that I have issues with.
Kalman
The very fact that "blues dancing" has a negative connotation at all in this day and age should be an alarm bell. In the 30s, maybe, but in the age of free porn and easy sex? Something is deeply wrong.
Man, I hate that Blues has come to this. I teach blues, I love to dance Blues, but it truly sucks that people really equate Blues Dance with some sort of chocolate covered sex-fest.
I'll be the first to admit that blues can be sexy and bawdy, and downright suggestive, but the music most often speaks in inuenndo and never quite crosses that line. The dance should reflect that. If all you do is sit in closed position and do various body rolls, you just ain't blues dancing.
Sigh.
i've taken ONE blues lesson in my life and the teacher stressed that open position and traveling was a part of blues too.
and yet all i see are people standing in one spot and doing the palm tree.
if people treated blues as a dance to be learned like lindy hop, i doubt many people would object to its prevalence. but then, maybe it wouldn't be so prevalent if people discovered that it's more than grinding.
uhh... we have "those" parties all the time....
you're just not invited.
Keep your morality out of my dances.
As for the discussions about whether or not blues dancing is evil, hasn't that been done to death already on at least 50 gazillion different threads?
Are people actually complaining about too much sex and too much sexual behavior? This is yehoodi right? This is a joke right?
:shrug:
Here, here!! While I can appreciate the closed position of a blues dance, some of the blues dancing I've witnessed has shown very little originality or creativity. Yet it surprises me how some of those same people would brag about their blues dancing skills just cause they think rubbing up against someone is a trained skill.
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