Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not…
Originally posted Sunday, January 25, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "sinner" Gah! This thread hurts me. But apparently I deserve the pain.
I'm sorry everyone. It's all my fault. I'm a horn ball. I like men. I like women. I like flirting and touching and I cross all kinds of boundaries of public indecency even when I try to be good.
I'm sorry I'm a bad dancer. I know I'm bad, and I really am working on it. But in the mean time, I'll hurt your eyes to watch: "Oh, have mercy! Look at her grinding hips!"
So, as a sexed up bad dancer, let me tell you why you won't get rid of me, nor will you be able to change my behavior.
(watching the bullet pass by harmlessly)
Lisa,
Please don't change!!! You're great the way you are. And you're a much better dancer than how you're crediting yourself here.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "cerberus" Sh t up Kalman. If the girls want to run around topless, let them. Who cares. I'm curious what line has been crossed as we are starting to plan Matt Bday party next month. We would hate to offend you my friend.
Todd
Quoted from "mousethief" I'm all for people wanting to do whatever the hell they want. But when I have to watch a bunch of topless dancers cavort around the floor, then they've crossed the line. We should not tolerate it - I don't give a goddamn if they are the organizers.
I don't mind people making out, it's making a feature of the event that I have issues with.
Kalman
A private party is one thing.
A publicly held dance is another.
You know who cares? The audience, the people whose facilities you are renting and the law. The LOLX main dance that Saturday was in some kind of fraternal organization (like a Masonic lodge), where the bartender was 60 year old woman. Show some respect, especially as an organizer.
And yehoodi is not the end-all, be-all of the swing community. We need to stop acting like it is and this if something is posted here, that its fine for everyone else.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Cult of Lindy Kitten"
Quoted from "SwingKid570"
Quoted from "jphilli1" I think wheresmygravy said it best last week when, during a blues class he told everyone that there should always be room "for the holy ghost" between partners. Well said!
While a senior in Catholic high school, I was dancing rather close with my prom date when a nun wandered by with that advice. I simply whispered into my date's oh so delictable ear, "Let the Holy Ghost find his own damn dance partner."
Reading through this thread, it sounds like Kalman'll be carrying around the big stick to hit anyone he sees dancing blues too close or who's doing something that doesn't fit his conception of what's good and right during a a Lindy night or whenever more than 5 Yehoodi! people are together after hours.
Then you might also note that I DJ'ed three successful Blues nights in Texas at the Houston and Austin exchanges. I just did another one Saturday night.
I have nothing against the music (unless it's just a bad choice) or the dance, but rather the bad name it is giving us. You can't live in Dallas and not be impressed by Jerry and Kathy and how they dance the Blues.
If you knew me, you'd know I'm about the last person to tell someone else how to dance, drink or whatever. Just formulate a list of most of the bad things that have happened in the scene over the last couple of years and I was probably right there doing it.
While I'm not a Blues dancer, I really enjoy seeing it done. I can list my faves, but they've all pretty much already posted here so far. Many times - too many times - I've seen it done with such intensity that you wanted to stamp your feet and holler while you were dancing next to them. That's a good problem to have, in my opinion.
I object to the direction it seems to be taking, which is less spontaneous and less driven by music than well-it-seems-to-work-for-bob-hey-juggs! Those of you who dance to the music can - and should - make it risque as you want, as personal as you like and as satisfying as you can get it. I think that's great, really. But if it's fake, if it's contrived, if it's just to get some ass, then I do have a problem, yes. Especially if this is the face we've been showing to new dancers.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Ogden - Thank you for your insightful posts. Would love to meet you, if I haven't already. If not, PLEASE save me a blues dance.
sinner - Wow! Just when I think I've known or seen the heights of your "amazing-ness" you astound me once again. Everyone should have a sinner in their lives! ;)
mousethief - I have read all the arguments you've posted on this thread and I cannot shake my belief that you have let one bad experience at one exchange color your view on blues dancing, it's evolution and how it is being "presented" to new dancers. For my own knowledge, I'd like to know what other events you've been to where you believe lines between dirty dancing and just plain bein' dirty have been crossed. My personal belief being that one time is an isolated event, two may be a coincidence and three times may be a conspiracy. Because I don't know about other folks, but I'm tired of hearing about the same party/dance in Tulsa and want to know what "other" places/dances/events you find distasteful.
Tina 8)
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Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
I think it's important to remember that everyone brings their own expectations, assumptions, and life experiences to this discussion. It doesn't seem very productive to bash on one another for having a different viewpoint. On this issue, we're not going to change each other's viewpoints. :shrug:
I personally don't see the relationship between "bad" blues dancing and debauchery. Even the pump and grind kind, the x-rated kind. I don't know much about blues dancing, so I'm sure I do the "nasty" variety, but I do know 99 of the time I'm not thinking about sex. Ask me about the other 1 another time...
I went to my first afterhours party this weekend in Dallas, and I drank and danced a lot...with girls, with guys, by myself, with a wall...who knows? I was feeling the music...it was good. Now what anyone else thought about it is another story, but I'm not responsible for that.
If it makes anyone feel better, I paid for it the next day when I spent 30 minutes keeled over a toilet in Denny's, losing my lunch.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
I wanted to keep out of it, but hopefully just one other post for now.
I totally understand and see Kalman's point.
I hold Kalman's views, I wasn't at LOLX. However, I was in at least one exchange within the past year where I felt things got a little too far at an official exchange event.
He's been around for a bit, and I'm sure he's not letting one experience cloud his judgement. This is one of the main points I see in his thread.
Quoted from "mousethief" And yehoodi is not the end-all, be-all of the swing community. We need to stop acting like it is and this if something is posted here, that its fine for everyone else.
OK, I loved WheresMyGravy's post and totally agree. I think there are some people here who are letting loose because they never did in H.S or whatever. But I see so many people openly talking about this in public with no inhibitions. LOLX's photos were online for everyone to see, antics and all. I know some people in the photos who were embarrassed. Heck, I was a bit embarrassed looking at them at work (for anyone who knows where I worked and what I see there, you know that's a big deal.)
In the past week or so, I've read several posts from people who can't help but talk about the parties and the debauchery. Are they exagerrating? Maybe? Are they flirting innocently? They probably think so, although some of it might creep people out depending on who is posting. I understand that some people are letting loose a little and living it up, but damn... it sounds like people need to post about their antics to prove a point. That they're cool and can get into the cool party and that people of the opposite sex should look out for them.
Maybe people don't care if they scare off newbies interested in the dance, but what about the message it gives to the wrong people. I heard there was an after-party last year where one or more non-dancers got kicked out. Apparently a friend of theirs said they would automatically hook up with a Lindy girl, so of course they went over the line. I'm sure there are some creepy guys and girls in every scene. I know over the years that some of those 'creepy' people post on Yehoodi. Someone reading this thread might think some of the creepy people are even posting in here. What signals do we give those people when we're actively promoting the debauchery and antics of the after parties?
I think as a community we do a good job of protecting our own when things get out of hand, but I really don't want to have to work overtime because someone wants everyone to know how crazy and awesome someone's afterparties are and then other people get the wrong idea.
I'm far from a prude and I know Kalman is as well. I don't want a scene filled with prudes. I'm not saying stop blues dancing or being sexy (at least not with me), I'm not saying close down the after parties. But why can't we just reign it in a little on a public forum or in a public venue?
Sinner - I don't think I got the opportunity to meet you at SoFlex or at least I didn't associate your Yehoodi handle with your name. I'm curious to if met you to put your face with your words.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Well, you gotta remember that I can - and have - go out almost any night of the week in Dallas. With live blues bands.
You're right, Tulsa was the standout in my mind. Please note that I don't find anything wrong with Blues dancing, just the direction it has been taking at some events. Since the thread originated with an OK dancer who was fed up with his scene being viewed as adolescent and sex-crazed, I was just relating my experiences there. I wasn't crazy about some of the things I saw in the Houston or Austin rooms either, but they happened in side rooms, not the main dance floor. And they were done by a few people who strike me as predators anyway.
As a personal predjudice, though, I can't help but notice that when the emphasis is on dancing, we tend to attract more dancers. When the emphasis is elsewhere, we attract those people instead. Like bakc in 2000, when the clubs closed and we just started having dances. Somehow, all the drinkers disappeared. Now we can go out dancing and drink and not the other way around. So when I say that Jerry & Kathy are Blues Gurus, I mean that. They not only inspire me, they inspire others to learn. Contrast that with less focused, more carnal bumping and grinding (been dying to say that) and you turn people off to the music and the dance itself.
No one ever advertises "Somewhere Lindy Exchange: Dirty Lindy" for example. Even if it is true. St. Louis does a wonderful job promoting themselves. Austin cleaned up it its image almost as soon as it got tarnished from the first ALX. There's no reason you can't have the dance and not advertise it as a sexfest.
For that matter, most Dallas dancers can vouch that I generally include a number of Blues songs in my local sets. I don't think the dance should be sidelined or pushed into sweaty little rooms. I think more people will do it if it's part of the main event. If we always had to partition ourselves, no one would ever have had learned Bal, Shag, West Coast or Charleston. So I guess I object to the notion of exclusivity as well.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "orbitkitty"
I went to my first afterhours party this weekend in Dallas, and I drank and danced a lot...with girls, with guys, by myself, with a wall...who knows? I was feeling the music...it was good. Now what anyone else thought about it is another story, but I'm not responsible for that.
Two years ago, it was a very different story in Dallas. Very different.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "orbitkitty" ...snip..
I went to my first afterhours party this weekend in Dallas, and I drank and danced a lot...with girls, with guys, by myself, with a wall...who knows? I was feeling the music...it was good. Now what anyone else thought about it is another story, but I'm not responsible for that.
If it makes anyone feel better, I paid for it the next day when I spent 30 minutes keeled over a toilet in Denny's, losing my lunch.
Orbitkitty, Friday night's afterhours party was, I think, as it should be, relaxed conversation, relaxing refreshments, decent music, and dancers who wanted to experience the music and the friendship of others.
By the way, I thought from our dances you danced very well and not the 'dirty kind'. And I found it very entertaining as the DJ, to watch you dance with the door frame and walls. That is actually a great exercise in connection. Keep it up.
Or maybe Keep it Down is more appropraite with your Denny's experience.
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Wow, I have never ever gone back and read every post of every page of any thread, but people keep directing me to this thread.
So, we've decided that it's not the blues music or blues dancing, OF COURSE, it's the dancers that tweak it inapproipriately at inappropriate times.
Now, what can we offer up to dpezz to help correct the situation? What can he do to save his scene?
Knowing some of the people in said scene, I know that there are a couple different camps screaming across one giant divide between a fairly small scene. I know gaps like these have been bridged before, but EVERYBODY has to compromise. Stop being so freakin' stubborn and selfish and think about the scene as a WHOLE. It's not about YOU.
My suggestion is that the chiefs of each indian tribe get together for coffee, tea or beer and apologize, put the past behind you, and decide what you can do to move forward. Anyone else have any brilliant ideas?
Originally posted Monday, January 26, 2004 (8 years ago)
Although that would definitely take care of one issue, it's not exactly the direction I was headed for. I was thinking a LOT less violent. But, it's a start.
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
A salute from Amy? Props from Tina, Todd, and more? I'm actually blushing.
Babyjane - I'll be in the city Feb 10th - 17th (roughly). Maybe I'll see you around. Clothing optional, of course.
Alligator - Hmm... if you stayed until the end of the Friday late night, I was the girl encouraging everyone to join us for t!ts and a at Scarlette's. If that doesn't ring any bells, here's a picture for ya. :D
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
wow.. just read this entire thread from start to finish..
now, an hour later, im more convinced that i do like blues dancing (no matter how badly i dance it)..
BUT thats not the topic..
Here in melbourne, we dont really get anymore afterparties... the last shot was after MLX in november, and i went to a few of those late nighters... damn they were good.. so much drinking, yet few people hooking up and the like ( cough )... it was all about the dancing..
granted we had gordon and solomon from back pocket making all the follows swoon.. and us lindy boys just watching them to see if we could steal as much as possible to emulate..
you folks are lucky enough to have the population to support the dirty buggers as well as the more straighter laced folk...
most of the people in this scene in melbourne would object to such things..
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
sinner, I respect your up-frontness and no-problemness and your proud-of-itness. I salute your "this is ME" spirit, even though I don't agree with you.
You know, and Kalman knows, and I've had this conversation more than once with many others, that I personally do not condone or take part in public make-out sessions. I am strongly in favor of the "I dig you -- let's take ourselves somewhere more discreet to negotiate the terms of our gettin' down" approach. I do not want to encroach on others with my spit-swappin, and i don't want to be forced to view the engorgement of others. Especially that of the drunk, the ugly, or the unskilled -- and let's face it, most of the time, that's who is doing the exhibitioning. You, sinner, are perhaps the lovely exception.
Part of my discomfort is a rooted in jealousy: If I'm able to watch you, it means I ain't gettin none at that precise moment. Part of it is aesthetic: Rarely does kissing that feels good to you also look good to others. Part is a social principle: Have some decorum! Some sense of privacy! Some respect for yourselves and others .... and get a room ! (or at least take a walk, or got in the CORNER, for gawd's sake!!!!)
I could go on, but you get it.
My point before, however, is best summed up by paraphrasing the famous line: I may disagree with what you do, but I will admire to my death your right to say that you are totally OK with who you are.
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Atalanta" Especially that of the drunk, the ugly, or the unskilled -- and let's face it, most of the time, that's who is doing the exhibitioning.
:o
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
[Edited to add: Have I mentioned that I love you, Atalantah?]
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "sinner" Alligator - Hmm... if you stayed until the end of the Friday late night, I was the girl encouraging everyone to join us for t!ts and a at Scarlette's. If that doesn't ring any bells, here's a picture for ya. :D
I wasn't at SoFlex on Friday night. I do recall seeing you the rest of the weekend but I didn't get the opportunity to dance with you. Too bad. You were already occupied the few times I saw you. I do believe you tried to grab me once on Saturday late night, but I was occupied as well. Next time I have to go to FLA for more than 27 hours.
I do recall seeing an "interesting" dance you were involved in at one of the events. Perhaps for the same reasons Atalanta mentions her own discomfort, I choose not to really go into it here. But it was an awkward enough situation for me to look away.
I also find it interesting that rather than describe yourself, what you wore, or just show a picture - you pick a moment in the weekend where you felt your suggestiveness put you out apart from the crowd.
Since you seem comfortable with what you do, I felt I could just point out my own observations on the matter. If I see things a certain way, others might too.
Otherwise I agree with Atalanta's last statement.
P.S. - I've got my 80's mix on (thanks Tina for reminding me) and I'm listening to Prince's "Erotic City." Kinda ironic.
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
hahaha you and me and sarajane should maybe go find us a nice corner during lindygras. oh, and bring jen too. but let's be discreet of course!! hahahahaha :lol:
Originally posted Tuesday, January 27, 2004 (8 years ago)
Oh, no worries. Rather than make a sandwich in public, we'll be taking Julius home with us. We'll take care of business at Casa Casey... see? I'm no hypocrite. :P
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Okay, I've had enough with the chocolate covered BS of a dance community I have been involved with. In AA, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have been involved with the perverse afterparty crap long enough. I am saying right here and right now that I do not…
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(watching the bullet pass by harmlessly)
Lisa,
Please don't change!!! You're great the way you are. And you're a much better dancer than how you're crediting yourself here.
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Lisa Marie, I salute you. :flykite: (that's the closest smiley i could find to approximate a tip of the hat)
A private party is one thing.
A publicly held dance is another.
You know who cares? The audience, the people whose facilities you are renting and the law. The LOLX main dance that Saturday was in some kind of fraternal organization (like a Masonic lodge), where the bartender was 60 year old woman. Show some respect, especially as an organizer.
And yehoodi is not the end-all, be-all of the swing community. We need to stop acting like it is and this if something is posted here, that its fine for everyone else.
Kalman
Then you might also note that I DJ'ed three successful Blues nights in Texas at the Houston and Austin exchanges. I just did another one Saturday night.
I have nothing against the music (unless it's just a bad choice) or the dance, but rather the bad name it is giving us. You can't live in Dallas and not be impressed by Jerry and Kathy and how they dance the Blues.
If you knew me, you'd know I'm about the last person to tell someone else how to dance, drink or whatever. Just formulate a list of most of the bad things that have happened in the scene over the last couple of years and I was probably right there doing it.
While I'm not a Blues dancer, I really enjoy seeing it done. I can list my faves, but they've all pretty much already posted here so far. Many times - too many times - I've seen it done with such intensity that you wanted to stamp your feet and holler while you were dancing next to them. That's a good problem to have, in my opinion.
I object to the direction it seems to be taking, which is less spontaneous and less driven by music than well-it-seems-to-work-for-bob-hey-juggs! Those of you who dance to the music can - and should - make it risque as you want, as personal as you like and as satisfying as you can get it. I think that's great, really. But if it's fake, if it's contrived, if it's just to get some ass, then I do have a problem, yes. Especially if this is the face we've been showing to new dancers.
Kalman
Ogden - Thank you for your insightful posts. Would love to meet you, if I haven't already. If not, PLEASE save me a blues dance.
sinner - Wow! Just when I think I've known or seen the heights of your "amazing-ness" you astound me once again. Everyone should have a sinner in their lives! ;)
mousethief - I have read all the arguments you've posted on this thread and I cannot shake my belief that you have let one bad experience at one exchange color your view on blues dancing, it's evolution and how it is being "presented" to new dancers. For my own knowledge, I'd like to know what other events you've been to where you believe lines between dirty dancing and just plain bein' dirty have been crossed. My personal belief being that one time is an isolated event, two may be a coincidence and three times may be a conspiracy. Because I don't know about other folks, but I'm tired of hearing about the same party/dance in Tulsa and want to know what "other" places/dances/events you find distasteful.
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I think it's important to remember that everyone brings their own expectations, assumptions, and life experiences to this discussion. It doesn't seem very productive to bash on one another for having a different viewpoint. On this issue, we're not going to change each other's viewpoints. :shrug:
I personally don't see the relationship between "bad" blues dancing and debauchery. Even the pump and grind kind, the x-rated kind. I don't know much about blues dancing, so I'm sure I do the "nasty" variety, but I do know 99 of the time I'm not thinking about sex. Ask me about the other 1 another time...
I went to my first afterhours party this weekend in Dallas, and I drank and danced a lot...with girls, with guys, by myself, with a wall...who knows? I was feeling the music...it was good. Now what anyone else thought about it is another story, but I'm not responsible for that.
If it makes anyone feel better, I paid for it the next day when I spent 30 minutes keeled over a toilet in Denny's, losing my lunch.
I wanted to keep out of it, but hopefully just one other post for now.
I totally understand and see Kalman's point.
I hold Kalman's views, I wasn't at LOLX. However, I was in at least one exchange within the past year where I felt things got a little too far at an official exchange event.
He's been around for a bit, and I'm sure he's not letting one experience cloud his judgement. This is one of the main points I see in his thread.
OK, I loved WheresMyGravy's post and totally agree. I think there are some people here who are letting loose because they never did in H.S or whatever. But I see so many people openly talking about this in public with no inhibitions. LOLX's photos were online for everyone to see, antics and all. I know some people in the photos who were embarrassed. Heck, I was a bit embarrassed looking at them at work (for anyone who knows where I worked and what I see there, you know that's a big deal.)
In the past week or so, I've read several posts from people who can't help but talk about the parties and the debauchery. Are they exagerrating? Maybe? Are they flirting innocently? They probably think so, although some of it might creep people out depending on who is posting. I understand that some people are letting loose a little and living it up, but damn... it sounds like people need to post about their antics to prove a point. That they're cool and can get into the cool party and that people of the opposite sex should look out for them.
Maybe people don't care if they scare off newbies interested in the dance, but what about the message it gives to the wrong people. I heard there was an after-party last year where one or more non-dancers got kicked out. Apparently a friend of theirs said they would automatically hook up with a Lindy girl, so of course they went over the line. I'm sure there are some creepy guys and girls in every scene. I know over the years that some of those 'creepy' people post on Yehoodi. Someone reading this thread might think some of the creepy people are even posting in here. What signals do we give those people when we're actively promoting the debauchery and antics of the after parties?
I think as a community we do a good job of protecting our own when things get out of hand, but I really don't want to have to work overtime because someone wants everyone to know how crazy and awesome someone's afterparties are and then other people get the wrong idea.
I'm far from a prude and I know Kalman is as well. I don't want a scene filled with prudes. I'm not saying stop blues dancing or being sexy (at least not with me), I'm not saying close down the after parties. But why can't we just reign it in a little on a public forum or in a public venue?
Sinner - I don't think I got the opportunity to meet you at SoFlex or at least I didn't associate your Yehoodi handle with your name. I'm curious to if met you to put your face with your words.
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Well, you gotta remember that I can - and have - go out almost any night of the week in Dallas. With live blues bands.
You're right, Tulsa was the standout in my mind. Please note that I don't find anything wrong with Blues dancing, just the direction it has been taking at some events. Since the thread originated with an OK dancer who was fed up with his scene being viewed as adolescent and sex-crazed, I was just relating my experiences there. I wasn't crazy about some of the things I saw in the Houston or Austin rooms either, but they happened in side rooms, not the main dance floor. And they were done by a few people who strike me as predators anyway.
As a personal predjudice, though, I can't help but notice that when the emphasis is on dancing, we tend to attract more dancers. When the emphasis is elsewhere, we attract those people instead. Like bakc in 2000, when the clubs closed and we just started having dances. Somehow, all the drinkers disappeared. Now we can go out dancing and drink and not the other way around. So when I say that Jerry & Kathy are Blues Gurus, I mean that. They not only inspire me, they inspire others to learn. Contrast that with less focused, more carnal bumping and grinding (been dying to say that) and you turn people off to the music and the dance itself.
No one ever advertises "Somewhere Lindy Exchange: Dirty Lindy" for example. Even if it is true. St. Louis does a wonderful job promoting themselves. Austin cleaned up it its image almost as soon as it got tarnished from the first ALX. There's no reason you can't have the dance and not advertise it as a sexfest.
For that matter, most Dallas dancers can vouch that I generally include a number of Blues songs in my local sets. I don't think the dance should be sidelined or pushed into sweaty little rooms. I think more people will do it if it's part of the main event. If we always had to partition ourselves, no one would ever have had learned Bal, Shag, West Coast or Charleston. So I guess I object to the notion of exclusivity as well.
Kalman
Two years ago, it was a very different story in Dallas. Very different.
Kalman
orbitkitty - no one should be subjected to a Denny's toilet... drunk or sober. :)
Alligator and mousethief - thanks for the thoughts and the clarifications. Exactly what I wanted.
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Orbitkitty, Friday night's afterhours party was, I think, as it should be, relaxed conversation, relaxing refreshments, decent music, and dancers who wanted to experience the music and the friendship of others.
By the way, I thought from our dances you danced very well and not the 'dirty kind'. And I found it very entertaining as the DJ, to watch you dance with the door frame and walls. That is actually a great exercise in connection. Keep it up.
Or maybe Keep it Down is more appropraite with your Denny's experience.
Jerry, D mn you're awesome. Thanks! :oops:
Wow, I have never ever gone back and read every post of every page of any thread, but people keep directing me to this thread.
So, we've decided that it's not the blues music or blues dancing, OF COURSE, it's the dancers that tweak it inapproipriately at inappropriate times.
Now, what can we offer up to dpezz to help correct the situation? What can he do to save his scene?
Knowing some of the people in said scene, I know that there are a couple different camps screaming across one giant divide between a fairly small scene. I know gaps like these have been bridged before, but EVERYBODY has to compromise. Stop being so freakin' stubborn and selfish and think about the scene as a WHOLE. It's not about YOU.
My suggestion is that the chiefs of each indian tribe get together for coffee, tea or beer and apologize, put the past behind you, and decide what you can do to move forward. Anyone else have any brilliant ideas?
Dpezz,
Kick Ransdel in the nutz. That should do it.
Kalman
Although that would definitely take care of one issue, it's not exactly the direction I was headed for. I was thinking a LOT less violent. But, it's a start.
A salute from Amy? Props from Tina, Todd, and more? I'm actually blushing.
Babyjane - I'll be in the city Feb 10th - 17th (roughly). Maybe I'll see you around. Clothing optional, of course.
Alligator - Hmm... if you stayed until the end of the Friday late night, I was the girl encouraging everyone to join us for t!ts and a at Scarlette's. If that doesn't ring any bells, here's a picture for ya. :D
wow.. just read this entire thread from start to finish..
now, an hour later, im more convinced that i do like blues dancing (no matter how badly i dance it)..
BUT thats not the topic..
Here in melbourne, we dont really get anymore afterparties... the last shot was after MLX in november, and i went to a few of those late nighters... damn they were good.. so much drinking, yet few people hooking up and the like ( cough )... it was all about the dancing..
granted we had gordon and solomon from back pocket making all the follows swoon.. and us lindy boys just watching them to see if we could steal as much as possible to emulate..
you folks are lucky enough to have the population to support the dirty buggers as well as the more straighter laced folk...
most of the people in this scene in melbourne would object to such things..
have fun folks.. interesting thread indeed
--Skenvoy
http://www.bangkokswing.com
sinner, I respect your up-frontness and no-problemness and your proud-of-itness. I salute your "this is ME" spirit, even though I don't agree with you.
You know, and Kalman knows, and I've had this conversation more than once with many others, that I personally do not condone or take part in public make-out sessions. I am strongly in favor of the "I dig you -- let's take ourselves somewhere more discreet to negotiate the terms of our gettin' down" approach. I do not want to encroach on others with my spit-swappin, and i don't want to be forced to view the engorgement of others. Especially that of the drunk, the ugly, or the unskilled -- and let's face it, most of the time, that's who is doing the exhibitioning. You, sinner, are perhaps the lovely exception.
Part of my discomfort is a rooted in jealousy: If I'm able to watch you, it means I ain't gettin none at that precise moment. Part of it is aesthetic: Rarely does kissing that feels good to you also look good to others. Part is a social principle: Have some decorum! Some sense of privacy! Some respect for yourselves and others .... and get a room ! (or at least take a walk, or got in the CORNER, for gawd's sake!!!!)
I could go on, but you get it.
My point before, however, is best summed up by paraphrasing the famous line: I may disagree with what you do, but I will admire to my death your right to say that you are totally OK with who you are.
:D
:o
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
[Edited to add: Have I mentioned that I love you, Atalantah?]
I wasn't at SoFlex on Friday night. I do recall seeing you the rest of the weekend but I didn't get the opportunity to dance with you. Too bad. You were already occupied the few times I saw you. I do believe you tried to grab me once on Saturday late night, but I was occupied as well. Next time I have to go to FLA for more than 27 hours.
I do recall seeing an "interesting" dance you were involved in at one of the events. Perhaps for the same reasons Atalanta mentions her own discomfort, I choose not to really go into it here. But it was an awkward enough situation for me to look away.
I also find it interesting that rather than describe yourself, what you wore, or just show a picture - you pick a moment in the weekend where you felt your suggestiveness put you out apart from the crowd.
Since you seem comfortable with what you do, I felt I could just point out my own observations on the matter. If I see things a certain way, others might too.
Otherwise I agree with Atalanta's last statement.
P.S. - I've got my 80's mix on (thanks Tina for reminding me) and I'm listening to Prince's "Erotic City." Kinda ironic.
http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow
Atalanta wrote: i don't want to be forced to view the engorgement of others.
NICE choice of words!
It made me wince.
Kalman
exactly.
Wow! Babyjane and Atalanta on either side o' me.
dance dance
Kalman
hahaha you and me and sarajane should maybe go find us a nice corner during lindygras. oh, and bring jen too. but let's be discreet of course!! hahahahaha :lol:
ahem.
I think Julius is feeling left out of the group. :wink:
julius i have a dark closet for you...;)
Oh, no worries. Rather than make a sandwich in public, we'll be taking Julius home with us. We'll take care of business at Casa Casey... see? I'm no hypocrite. :P
(kidding! i kid because i love!!)
What is it? Smog again?
heh heh heh...
Kalman
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