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According to cnn.com: " Massachusetts' highest court reiterated today that only full marriage rights for gay couples, not civil unions, would be constitutional. The ruling sets the stage for Massachusetts to become the first state in the nation to allow same-sex marriages. ".…

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  • Post #31
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

Cool, Rik and I agree. We're smart and stuff. Great minds think alike and all that...

Sly, I wonder about that. Hm. I truly never thought about something like that but I guess it technically shouldn't be illegal as long as they can prove they deserve benefits.

What are the justifications for giving married couples governmental benefits again? Just wondering so it can help me think better about why this is all such a big deal.

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  • Post #32
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

Marriage is a religious concept--why is the govt legislating this anyway?

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  • Post #33
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Phlurg"
My only question is, when will I be allowed to marry Biggles?

Dude, I don't think you're good enough for Biggles.

Tina 8)

bluesSHOUT! 2010 is coming to Austin! http://www.bluesshout.com Favorite Tim Tebow-ism: Jesus opens presents on Tim Tebow's birthday. :)

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  • Post #34
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Kokopelli"
I say ban adulterers from getting married again, ban rapists and pedophiles from getting married, but what have gay people ever done to deserve denying them the right to love?

Sure, good plan. Take one completely arbitrary set of moral principles and replace them with another completely arbitrary set of moral principles and then demand that the world at large conform to them. And we wonder how government gets pulled into these debacles.

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  • Post #35
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "gatorgal"
Quoted from "Phlurg"
My only question is, when will I be allowed to marry Biggles?
Dude, I don't think you're good enough for Biggles. Tina 8)

WAHAAHAHA :D

Poor Phlurg.

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  • Post #36
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

What about two gay men getting married...and who are pro-life?

Love those random little thoughts.

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  • Post #37
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Sublindy"
Marriage is a religious concept--why is the govt legislating this anyway?

Good question! Why are all those pesky "Let's gkeep government out of your lives" Republicans getting their sphincters in a bunch over this?

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #38
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

Now THAT'S what I call a visual!

-Eff

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  • Post #39
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

First, as a man who has made a lifetime commitment to love, honor, and respect another man, I would like to thank everyone who supports gay marriage. Or Civil Union. Or Life Partnership. Or whatever you want to call it. I, personally, don't care what you call it as long as we receive the same rights as two straight people creating, essentially, the same union. There are many gay partnerships that have outlasted straight marriages by years. 50 of straight marriages end in divorce. Is that right? Then why not screen them more? Why do we get scrutinized when it comes to who we love? Do I threaten those men in Washington because I love another man? Are they not secure enough in their own sexuality that I cause a threat to them and their whole society? I don't think that gay people are the problem. It's those who are in charge.

As for the children issue... I must say that I think it is a bit harsh to essentially throw away a woman because she is unable to have children. There are many wonderful children in this world who need homes. Why not focus on trying to do right by them? My aunt couldn't have children so she and her husband decided to adopt. I don't think any less of her as a woman or a mother. In fact, in my eyes, they have given more of themselves because they opened their home to two beautiful girls and have shown them just as much love as they would have their own biological children. Someday I, too, would like to make a family with my partner. I hope that when that day comes we are given the same rights as other parents.

Don't you hate it when your married friends ask you about your lovelife? Like you aren't as good as them because you aren't married yet? Or when your parents push you to find someone and settle down? One of the wonderful things about being gay is that you don't get pressured into getting married. You aren't expected to. You are expected to be promiscuous and live a life of non-stop sex, drugs, and dancing. Therefore when two gay people decide to get married and spend the rest of their lives with only ONE person they must really mean it, don't you think?

All we are asking is that you give us the same respect and rights that you expect for yourself.

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  • Post #40
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Karmic Swing"
Sure, good plan. Take one completely arbitrary set of moral principles and replace them with another completely arbitrary set of moral principles and then demand that the world at large conform to them.

The difference is that allowing gay marriage does not directly affect those who oppose it, while not allowing it does directly affect those who want it. Allowing gay marriage is not demanding that anyone conform to anything. There is not going to be a law that says you have to go marry another man.

If you don't want to be a part of a gay marriage, fine, but you (and the government) have no right to take that away from someone else.

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  • Post #41
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

stand ups applauds loudly for Vanillaboy kicks the ass of anyone who disagrees doesn't vote for Bush

The End

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  • Post #42
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

...yeah and don't mess with the constitution!

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  • Post #43
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

OK now the question is....who should I marry? 8)

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  • Post #44
  • Originally posted Thursday, February 5, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

We ALL know who--Chris Isaak!

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  • Post #45
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

"You are expected to be promiscuous and live a life of non-stop sex, drugs, and dancing."

It's not fair to bring Mr Swank into this!

"Therefore when two gay people decide to get married and spend the rest of their lives with only ONE person they must really mean it, don't you think?"

I suspect for some (and I'm not implying Dan) the notion of two same sex adults wanting to commit to each other forever is quite threatening. Ya know, it may very well challenge their negative view of non-heterosexuals (that whole "promiscuous and live a life of non-stop sex, drugs, and dancing" thing).

It gotta be much easier to justify disapproving of/harassing everyday in school/firing/denying housing to/denying health care to/kicking outta the family will/assaulting/killing...a human being you don't value.

-Eff

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  • Post #46
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Phlurg"
My only question is, when will I be allowed to marry Biggles?

Mr. Bigglesworth? That's what's next. Next thing you know, people will want to marry their pets and who knows what else. The argument to call that a real marriage is no weaker than the argument for so-called "gay marriage."

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  • Post #47
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Next thing you know, people will want to marry their pets and who knows what else.

Arggggghhhhh.

I am aggravated to no end by the "two consensual loving adults wanting to commit their loves to each other will soon result in... widespread bestiality!" argument. Sorry, Dan, but that's a non-argument and a load of NONSENSE.

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  • Post #48
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "mouth"
stand ups applauds loudly for Vanillaboy kicks the ass of anyone who disagrees doesn't vote for Bush The End

BRAVO!

( I second those notions )

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  • Post #49
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Sublindy"
Marriage is a religious concept--why is the govt legislating this anyway?

Good question. I don't know why. But as long as government IS legislating it, it ought to get it right. Don't you think?

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  • Post #50
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

I think what Mugsy Malone was trying to say is this:

"Ladies and gentlemen of Yehoodi, I have one final thing I want you to consider: this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense!

"Why would a Wookiee an eight foot tall Wookiee want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

"But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case?

"Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

"Look at me, I'm a dancer defending gay marriage, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

"And so you have to remember, when you're on that dance floor deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of Yehoodi, it does not make sense.

"If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must allow men to marry other men! The defense rests."

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  • Post #51
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "REDHOTnBLUE"
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Next thing you know, people will want to marry their pets and who knows what else.
Arggggghhhhh. I am aggravated to no end by the "two consensual loving adults wanting to commit their loves to each other will soon result in... widespread bestiality!" argument. Sorry, Dan, but that's a non-argument and a load of NONSENSE.

You're right. It is a non-argument. i.e. It's not the argument I made. Two consensual loving adults CAN commit their loves to each other. It just isn't necessarily marriage. I also never suggested that bestiality would increase, just that those already involved in it might want their relationship recognized as marriage too.

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  • Post #52
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

Who feels sorry for Dan because of all the wonderful things in life he's missing out on by closing his eyes, shutting his heart, and locking his mind to things he does not yet understand?

raises hand high and proud

Ignorance is not bad. Choosing to stay ignorant when new knowledge is available is bad.

Dan I tried to honor, respect, and understand your opinion by thinking about how I would feel if my religious beliefs and traditions were being challenged by others. And I do understand that must feel horrible. But I cannot understand you insulting and disrespecting other people's belief systems, choices, lifestyles. If you want your ideas respected then you must respect others.

I don't want to tell you how to live your life. Why do you want to tell me how to live mine? I simply don't get it. Go ahead and tell me how you feel about things FOR YOU. Feel free to tell me how other people's choices make YOU feel. But please, I beg you, please do not think you are smart enough or wise enough or important enough to make life choices for others. Where does that come from anyway?

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  • Post #53
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Quoted from "Sublindy"
Marriage is a religious concept--why is the govt legislating this anyway?
Good question. I don't know why. But as long as government IS legislating it, it ought to get it right. Don't you think?

Marrige quit being a religious concept when the government started taxing us based on our marital status. If married people, single people, rich, poor, and everyone else were taxed the same exact way, then I would agree with you. But once your marital status becomes part of "who you are" according to the government, then it becomes "the government's interest" to legislate it. I'm not saying it's right..

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  • Post #54
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
I think what Mugsy Malone was trying to say is this: "Ladies and gentlemen of Yehoodi, I have one final thing I want you to consider: this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! "Why would a Wookiee an eight foot tall Wookiee want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! "But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? "Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! "Look at me, I'm a dancer defending gay marriage, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense. "And so you have to remember, when you're on that dance floor deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of Yehoodi, it does not make sense. "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must allow men to marry other men! The defense rests."

Now is there anyone here who still doesn't understand the definition of irony?

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

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  • Post #55
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "mouth"
Who feels sorry for Dan because of all the wonderful things in life he's missing out on by closing his eyes, shutting his heart, and locking his mind to things he does not yet understand? raises hand high and proud Ignorance is not bad. Choosing to stay ignorant when new knowledge is available is bad. Dan I tried to honor, respect, and understand your opinion by thinking about how I would feel if my religious beliefs and traditions were being challenged by others. And I do understand that must feel horrible. But I cannot understand you insulting and disrespecting other people's belief systems, choices, lifestyles. If you want your ideas respected then you must respect others. I don't want to tell you how to live your life. Why do you want to tell me how to live mine? I simply don't get it. Go ahead and tell me how you feel about things FOR YOU. Feel free to tell me how other people's choices make YOU feel. But please, I beg you, please do not think you are smart enough or wise enough or important enough to make life choices for others. Where does that come from anyway?

pats mouth on back

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  • Post #56
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "mouth"
Who feels sorry for Dan...?

Who feels sorry for all of you who keep taking his bait?

Do you really think someone really is philosophically inclined AND still believes all that sh t he posts around here? It's really to bad the Monty Python "I Want To Buy An Argument" business doesn't exist, he would spend all his free time there.

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  • Post #57
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

At first, I read the topic to this discussion and thought "Everyone is gay?!" What kind of thread IS this? But, quite honestly, I am appalled at some of the comments that have been made. I guess coming from the entertainment industry, I have always been surrounded with very supportive views on the topic of homosexuality... I don't know. But I find it so hard to believe that in this day and age there are people who still carry these bigoted views. I find myself almost at a loss for words and saddened while faced with this reality that even people that I find myself in the same social circle with share these awful opinions. I cannot even recall some of the comments that were made towards the beginning of this discussion (I am sure you know which I am speaking of) but rather, I recall the feeling it gave me in my stomach of sheer disgust. I truly feel sorry for those people who have closed themselves off from the WORLD. Basically, that is really what they've done. It's very sad. My hope is that someday they will see how close-minded they once were.

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  • Post #58
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
I think what Mugsy Malone was trying to say is this:[...] Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

Pot, meet kettle.

Really, this is better than CATS. You can't make this crazy stuff up. This takes years of training. Now if only my college had offered a degree in irrationality...

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  • Post #59
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)
Quoted from "mouth"
stand ups applauds loudly for Vanillaboy kicks the ass of anyone who disagrees doesn't vote for Bush

Wait, you forgot one thing:

votes

Right?

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  • Post #60
  • Originally posted Friday, February 6, 2004 (Over 10 years ago)

Oh yes Shana, oh yes. I just haven't decided which candidate - who is not Bush - I will be voting for, hence the "doesn't vote for Bush" thing. :D

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