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According to cnn.com: " Massachusetts' highest court reiterated today that only full marriage rights for gay couples, not civil unions, would be constitutional. The ruling sets the stage for Massachusetts to become the first state in the nation to allow same-sex marriages. ".…

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  • Post #1441
  • Originally posted Tuesday, July 5, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "arcecat"
I would guess that there will be some churches leaving the UCC or many people will changes churches.

According to this article:

The Rev. J.R. McAliley, pastor of Center Congregational Church in Atlanta, said his church will likely pull away from the United Church of Christ and align with another group.

McAliley said his congregation is open to gay members, but does not accept same-sex marriage because they believe gay behavior is a sin.

"We need to be much more clear about the scriptural perspective of the openness of church to all sinners," McAliley said. "It doesn't say that we are to condone or accept any sin. We are to help people find a way back to the way of Christ."

Bless his heart.

We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!

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  • Post #1442
  • Originally posted Tuesday, July 5, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a Unitarian? Someone who knocks at your door for no reason. :D

Did you hear about the Unitarians who joined the Klan? They burn question marks on your lawn...

The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...

  • Joined 1/5/03
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  • Post #1443
  • Originally posted Tuesday, July 5, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Marcelo"
And any place where "worship takes place" isn't really a place I care (personally) to hang my hat, because I don't really believe in the value of worship - again, being a godless heathen and stuff - so when I walked into my local UUC, I didn't enjoy it specifically because it was still based the act of worship. And if it's true that every UUC is totally different to the point that some other UU might find it worthy of rejection, then what's the point of being under the same umbrella? What is the operational definition other than "everything anyone wants it to be?"

I'm a Catholic living in Washington, DC. As such, I can find Catholic churches that are liberal or conservative. I can attend mass in latin in a big shrine, or I can attend service in a living room with the priest sitting on a couch (no joke, at Catholic University no less). There are churches that follow the Vatican's recent allowance of female alter servers, and those that don't. There are churches where I feel comfortable, and churches where I don't. And they're all Catholic. The UU churches, and their variety, from what I have seen, are no different. If we're still a religion, then that variety alone should not make them not a religion.

Second, clearly the UU church is not about "everything anyone wants it to be." You didn't fit, and neither did I. True, it has a much more broad spectrum of accepted ideas, but that doesn't mean they don't find common ground. In fact, what I respect so much about them is that they recognize that there IS alot of common ground within the various faiths throughout the world. If anything, it's a church that recognizes human individuality instead of preaching the value of being a lemming. That part appealed to me.

As for the beliefs and principles of the church, try here. That's what I read when I asked myself the same questions a few months back.

As for saying, "Y'all aren't reeeeeally a religion. You're more of a social club," by whose standard? It may not be a religion that espouses what you think a religion should, but it meets the definition of a religion, so who are you to say it's not? Just strikes me as an odd stance to take, that's all. I do recognize that it's just your opinion, and that you're not somehow suggesting that the UU be removed from religion listings everywhere or something... just curious why you would make such strong statements.

  • Joined 1/16/01
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  • Post #1444
  • Originally posted Tuesday, July 5, 2005 (8 years ago)
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As for saying, "Y'all aren't reeeeeally a religion. You're more of a social club," by whose standard? It may not be a religion that espouses what you think a religion should, but it meets the definition of a religion, so who are you to say it's not? Just strikes me as an odd stance to take, that's all. I do recognize that it's just your opinion, and that you're not somehow suggesting that the UU be removed from religion listings everywhere or something... just curious why you would make such strong statements.

Re standards, I think my own standard is pretty sufficient. Those are really the only terms anyone ever knows - their own. By my standard it's not really a religion as much as a gathering of religious minded people who don't wish to conform to any set religious rules. Your mileage may vary.

As for why I would make a strong statement, it's because this is a discussion board and this is the topic we were discussing.

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  • Post #1445
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)

Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage?

The winds of change are a'blowin'! :D

-Eff

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  • Post #1446
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage?

Disneyland.

  • Joined 1/7/04
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  • Post #1447
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "FoolsRun"
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Egad! That sounds exactly like something I would say. Heimlich! Heimlich!
Your hyman's been removed? You need your hyman removed? Helga! Helga! Wake up! I've invented a maneuver!

"A fist, a hand, hoocha hoocha hoocha... lobster! Yes, Hilda! Hilda! Wake up, Hilda!"

"Oh, what is it, Dr. Heimlich?"

"Why are you calling me Dr. Heimlich? I'm you're husband, for f 's sake! Loosen up, don't be so bloody Prussian."

"Well, what is it, G nther?"

"I have invented a maneuver!"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  • Post #1448
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage?
Disneyland.

then it really would be the happiest place on earth.

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  • Post #1449
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "joeycat"
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage?
Disneyland.
then it really would be the happiest place on earth.

They've already got one Tinkerbell.

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  • Post #1450
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage? The winds of change are a'blowin'! :D -Eff

Oh Neal, stop trying to stay on topic. Can't you see the kids have moved on to an earnest discussion about Christian denominations and the Universalist Church? Whatever made you think that people actually want to discuss issues pertaining to same sex relationships here in this thread?

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  • Post #1451
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "joeycat"
Quoted from "Dan2513"
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Any predictions on the next Country to allow queer marriage?
Disneyland.
then it really would be the happiest place on earth.

According to my friends who worked there is was the "gayest place on earth." During the regency dancing all of the men were busy checking out the other men and the women were checking out the other women.

According to her it was pretty funny. :D

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  • Post #1452
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)

I find it interesting that 2 rather intolerant people on the boards are UUC.

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  • Post #1453
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)

As opposed to good ol' Bible-bangers.

Kalman

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  • Post #1454
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "arcecat"
I find it interesting that 2 rather intolerant people on the boards are UUC.

Wow, I didn't know that you and Dan had that in common.

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  • Post #1455
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "arcecat"
I find it interesting that 2 rather intolerant people on the boards are UUC.

We tolerate diversity, not stupidity.

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  • Post #1456
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Wombat"
We tolerate diversity, not stupidity.

Ah, so UUC is nihilist as well.

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  • Post #1457
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Wombat"
Quoted from "arcecat"
I find it interesting that 2 rather intolerant people on the boards are UUC.
We tolerate diversity, not stupidity.

But you go to church.

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  • Post #1458
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Marcelo"
Quoted from "Wombat"
Quoted from "arcecat"
I find it interesting that 2 rather intolerant people on the boards are UUC.
We tolerate diversity, not stupidity.
But you go to church.

I can't find any other way to interpret this other than "Marcelo says, 'Church is stupid.'"

Surely church is not stupidity of arcecatian proportions. At least some good comes out of churches, on average.

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  • Post #1459
  • Originally posted Wednesday, July 6, 2005 (8 years ago)

Think about what you're saying.

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  • Post #1460
  • Originally posted Saturday, August 6, 2005 (8 years ago)

http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/08/06/1161667-sun.html

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There are obvious tax benefits to marriage, they said, but insisted they don't want their nuptials to insult gays and lesbians.
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  • Post #1461
  • Originally posted Sunday, August 7, 2005 (8 years ago)

Effy, dear, St. Peter's just voted to allow pastors to follow their conscience about performing commitment ceremonies for gays and lesbians. Thought you might like to know. The ELCA will be voting this month. :D

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  • Post #1462
  • Originally posted Sunday, August 7, 2005 (8 years ago)

Ah, refreshing winds of change...

-Eff

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  • Post #1463
  • Originally posted Sunday, August 7, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Dora Gray"
Effy, dear, St. Peter's just voted to allow pastors to follow their conscience about performing commitment ceremonies for gays and lesbians. Thought you might like to know. The ELCA will be voting this month. :D

They are also considering some other changes. How about this proposal? Uphold current ordination policy but allow for possible "exceptions" for gay or lesbian candidates.

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  • Post #1464
  • Originally posted Sunday, August 7, 2005 (8 years ago)

I think that it is important to note that many "people of faith" are standing up for gay marriage and against the Federal Marriage Amendment. A sampling of other religious denominations and organizations that signed the letter include the Alliance of Baptists, American Friends Service Committee (Quaker), American Jewish Committee, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Episcopal Church, Guru Gobind Singh Foundation (Sikh), National Conference of Community and Justice, Metropolitan Community Churches, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Washington office, The Interfaith Alliance, Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, and United Church of Christ Justice and Witness Ministries.

Read more at: http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/newsnotes/bl_pr_040604_ecla.htm

The number of organized religous groups opposing may marriage is decreasing. Like I have always posted, anyone who hides behind religion, utilizes it to hate and to oppose gay rights is just a bigot...

:shrug:

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  • Post #1465
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)

The ELCA actually already allows ordination of poeple who are gay in their own understanding. The only thing is that pastors aren't allowed to be in a sexual relationship outside of marriage. So you can be a gay pastor in the ELCA, you just have to stay celibate. The issue with us is gay marriage, not gay ordination. FYI.

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  • Post #1466
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)

Gay ordination..... so...this just sounds odd. Does the ELCA purposely announce to the congregation that the pastor is gay?

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  • Post #1467
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "Effervescent"
Ah, refreshing winds of change... -Eff

(cough...cough)

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  • Post #1468
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)
Quoted from "arcecat"
Gay ordination..... so...this just sounds odd. Does the ELCA purposely announce to the congregation that the pastor is gay?

No, they make their gay female ministers hide in fear! This forces them to turn to the internet to share their carpet munching stories!

:crash:

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  • Post #1469
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)

I just thought it sounded odd....

I don't know...if they are against gay marriage then they should be against a gay pastor...but if they stay celebate then it's ok to them.... I don't know....seems odd.

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  • Post #1470
  • Originally posted Monday, August 8, 2005 (8 years ago)

Allison, why is it odd to you? To my knowledge, the bible doesn't say anything about gay people can not be ministers. Leviticus writes about activities that are sin to God, but being born a certain way is not one of them. So suppose you were to sleep with your first cousin or sister-in-law type or have a yearning for ewe in the Scottish highlands, you can't be a pastor either. It's about big government stepping in and taking actions that will infringe upon separation of church and state. And because of that first tenet, such legislations should not be allowed to pass.

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