Lemme start with a disclaimer: The complaint below is only about a small percentage of our scene. Everyone else is pretty much fun, friendly, welcoming, etc. And the scene is really starting to blossom, which has me pretty excited. That said, we've got a couple of creepy leads that are…
Originally posted Wednesday, July 11, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "Utena" By far the creepiest behavior I have ever encountered was when someone kissed my ear while dancing Balboa. Needless to say I will never be dancing with him again. Everyone has their quirks and their flaws, but there are just some lines that should not be crossed.
I wasn't kissing it, I was trying to remove all of that earwax buildup for you. You just can't do people favors these days...
Originally posted Wednesday, July 11, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "apostle"
Here's what may be the reason why some say I am creepy:
(1) My appearance - the creepiness claimed by the existing dancers was probably racially motivated. LindyPhil was called a creep and I was called a creep. So in order to become a more attractive guy, I will likely check out the dermatologist and bleach my skin up!
Bzzzt. I'm sorry, you've exceeded your stupidity quotient. I'm only willing to tolerate so much verbal diarrhea before I just [bleep!]ing snap.
People in the swing scene don't give a crap about your skin color.
At all.
Seriously, they don't.
Get the thoughts out of your head, and never think them again. Use a power drill with a diamond tipped bit if you have to.
Stop using this reverse racism crutch. Just. STOP. Its insulting to anyone with even remote usage of higher brain functions. There's no way that that I can stand by and watch you flippantly call the entirety of the Texas swing scene outwardly racist. Its beyond absurd, to the levels of institutional. I've been in the Lindy scene for damn near 10 years now. It's one of the most accepting social groups I've ever encountered. People who most likely couldn't function in normal society are accepted with open arms. It's a venue to forge relationships with other people and learn to interact in an environment where people aren't going to judge you to the standards that the rest of the world does.
Quoted from "apostle"
(2) I gave more intermediate steps to beginner follows.
No, I'm sorry, you've managed to completely miss the boat on this concept as well. You're likely not as good as you think you are. Thats ok, really. Most people aren't as good as they think they are. However, I think you're seriously overestimating your skills to the point of delusions. Here's the thing about your statement. It doesn't make any sense at all. A beginner doesn't know jack about dancing. That's why they're a beginner. The way they get better is by dancing with people above their skill level. When you're a beginner, thats EVERYONE. So, the excuse doesn't really fly with me. Excuse my High Fidelity moment, but more than likely you did at least one, if not all, of the following 5 things:
1) You physically hurt the follow.
2) You insulted your follow by instructing them on the dance floor. Don't ever do this, its one of the single most insulting things a person can do while dancing. Even if you're light years better than the person, unsolicited advice on their dancing is bad, bad, bad.
3) The person was better than you, and you said something to them that would indicate otherwise.
4) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you physically interacted with them, by looking at them or touching them in a way that was inappropriate
5) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you verbally interacted with them, by saying something to them that was highly inappropriate.
I'm guessing all of the above.
Quoted from "apostle" (3) Judging by what Nonya said, I assume Houstonians are ignorant of people who are appear to be different, not like the Austinites are.
I'd suggest you don't ever assume anything, ever again. You'll be better off.
Quoted from "apostle" Seeing me as a guy without social skills is somewhat surprising. And I do not necessarily want to be known as the "Rain Man" of the dance community, as I am different than the Sam of 1986 (when I was diagnosed with an unspecifed pervasive developmental disorder, which is milder than Autism/Asperger's). The most significant improvement in me was in non-verbal communication, which includes the eliminating my monotone speech and dressing up in semi-formal clothing often.
I'm not entirely sure how monotone speech falls under non-verbal communication, but I'll let that one slide for now.
What is your definition of social skills? Its obviously not the same as the people you encounter, as the majority seem to believe you do not have any. I'm not sure if the disconnect falls between the realization that you do indeed have a mental disorder and the realization of fallout from your actions, but its possibly a symptom of whatever it is you've been diagnosed with. I feel sorry for you if so, but it does not excuse your behavior. I've been very close to several people in the swing scene with social dysfunction disorders. They managed to control their issues to the point that nobody would ever casually guess there was any issues at all. None of them have managed to lay blanket insults on entire swing scenes. You, on the other hand, radiate it. If its not a symptom, well, then you're just one of the most obtuse people I've ever encountered.
Quoted from "apostle" The main problem is I appear to be too shy because I come to the local dances by myself. That's why I seemed standoffish. Plus, should I be sitting down at the venue's tables inside and doing a little chit-chat? :dunno:
No, coming by yourself is not an issue. Most people go to dances by themselves. The problem is that you try too hard to force yourself in to existing social groups. Human interaction is organic, forcing it will only cause you to get the reactions you've been seeing. Back off and let people approach you, because you obviously do not know how to appropriately initiate interaction with other people.
Quoted from "apostle" To this date, neither the Houston Swing Dance Society (HSDS); the venue that HSDS leases; or any other local dance venue has ever banned me from attending their dances.
It takes a lot to get banned from a swing event. You're well on your way, keep trying!
Quoted from "apostle"
And why would Amanda (a Brooklynite who probably has not either seen me or been to Texas) say I was creeping out the ladies out by trying to kiss them? (Of course I have been kissing the ladies at a mistletoe-themed sorority party but I would not do that on a general basis) That made me cancel doing dances that involve more close body contact such as Balboa, Collegiate Shag or Blues dance, which seemed to be more vulnerable to creepiness. Then the ladies won't even suffer from the "Georgie Porgie" effect.
Amanda is a very smart person, though it doesn't take a Mensa member to figure out why someone would find your actions incredibly disturbing. Do you honestly not see where you're going wrong?
Quoted from "apostle"
Quoted from "Utena" By far the creepiest behavior I have ever encountered was when someone kissed my ear while dancing Balboa. Needless to say I will never be dancing with him again. Everyone has their quirks and their flaws, but there are just some lines that should not be crossed.
:oops:
You talk about casually doing things that I wouldn't do to people that I've known for all the 10 years I've been dancing. I'm surprised you haven't been banned from a dance doing something like that, or at the very least been kicked in the groin. Kissing a complete stranger against their desire? Not ok. Beyond not ok. Hell, thats assault. A felony.
Just paying a cover does not, NOT, entitle you to violate the trust of any single person in that venue. The scene as a whole is incredibly accepting of different people, but you need to maintain a trust to keep that acceptance. When a person allows you to touch them, and enter in to their personal space, they're going to be infinitely more critical of your actions than if you were outside that space. Any violation of trust, meaning words, looks, touching, or behavior in any way that makes the person unhappy or uncomfortable will resonate on a much deeper level than a normal encounter. I learned that from first hand experience a long time ago. I was just a kid, and I quickly learned what was acceptable and what was unacceptable behavior, so people quickly forgave me for my actions. Where you fall short is that you're not learning from your mistakes. Even worse, you're projecting YOUR social dysfunction on to other people. Seriously uncool. The problem doesn't lie with the people who are rejecting you, it lies with your inability to absorb the simple fact that people do not appreciate how you act towards them.
Originally posted Wednesday, July 11, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "DJLarkin"
People in the swing scene don't give a crap about your skin color.
At all.
Seriously, they don't.
Get the thoughts out of your head, and never think them again. Use a power drill with a diamond tipped bit if you have to.
Stop using this reverse racism crutch. Just. STOP. Its insulting to anyone with even remote usage of higher brain functions. There's no way that that I can stand by and watch you flippantly call the entirety of the Texas swing scene outwardly racist. Its beyond absurd, to the levels of institutional.
Ditto.
Except that I disagree with the term "reverse racism". Apostle, unless you've actually heard that someone said, "I won't dance with him because he's black," making that assumption is YOUR racism at work. Period.
I'd love to respond to the rest of what you said, but unlike DJ, I couldn't even get past this ridiculous and insulting line. And I don't even know any Texas dancers. At least not that I can think of offhand.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
I'm a Texas dancer, and personally I don't care if you're black, white or purple, as long as you can dance.
To get the thread back to creepy leads though, here's something I encountered this weekend at the blues workshop, that I thought was uber-creepy: soft finger wiggling. Dancing with this one guy was perfectly fine, posture was fine, connection was fine, except that both his hands were very gently wiggling their fingers through the whole dance, on my hand and back. It was like jazz hands as done by a pedophile. So incredibly creepy. And he had dead fish eyes.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "DJLarkin" But more than likely you did at least one, if not all, of the following 5 things:
1) You physically hurt the follow.
2) You insulted your follow by instructing them on the dance floor. Don't ever do this, its one of the single most insulting things a person can do while dancing. Even if you're light years better than the person, unsolicited advice on their dancing is bad, bad, bad.
3) The person was better than you, and you said something to them that would indicate otherwise.
4) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you physically interacted with them, by looking at them or touching them in a way that was inappropriate
5) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you verbally interacted with them, by saying something to them that was highly inappropriate.
Quote I'm guessing all of the above.
:sayno:
It was 2, but I never criticized anyone on the floor for being a bad dancer. As for me or anyone correcting a follow on the dance floor, while it may be considered rude, it not necessarily unusual. However, backleading is unacceptable. I would happily give a chance to dance with a beginner follow twice and not overload with more difficult steps. I will absolutely not do any aerials at all (Sadly, a swing dancer died around 1996 from an aerial routine). Many follows get hurt all the time, it's not really a sign of creepiness.
To this date, I have not received a word from the regional dance societies, or dance venues received any lady's claim of any form of harassment by me. :dunno: No one brought up a claim on any message board. So I may have a good track record with the ladies in every dance floor. I am nothing like the two guys mentioned by Rob in the first post.
Quoted from "Yoda" We had an older guy (around 50) in our scene that is also not from the US (language and culture barrier). He would go up to young girls (17-22) and ask them to dance, then afterwards tell them how beautiful he thought they were, and on a few occasions ask them out. I had several girls tell me he was creeping them out and making them feel uncomfortable. I told him that it was inappropriate and and tried to do so in a way as to tell him it may be acceptable where he is from, but not here but he still continued on with it. Well, now he is not allowed at our main venue, and any other venue he goes to, he has the leads watching him like attack dogs.
Even foreigners or those with English as their secondary language, do not adhere to the norms of social dance (or outside of dance) in the U.S., which are more different overseas. :oops:
That's it, fellows. Because of all the complaints of creepiness on this thread, including the claims of harassment by me (without even seeing me in person). I will probably going to quit swing dancing in the U.S. Let the lady dance with another, I'm going to cop-out on fixing would-have-been missteps. I'm just going to stay at home... :cry: :cry: :cry:
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "apostle"
That's it, fellows. Because of all the complaints of creepiness on this thread, including the claims of harassment by me (without even seeing me in person). I will probably going to quit swing dancing in the U.S. Let the lady dance with another, I'm going to cop-out on fixing would-have-been missteps. I'm just going to stay at home... :cry: :cry: :cry:
It sounds like you're making a wise choice.
Now that you have some extra time on your hands, why don't you start going to a psychiatrist every couple of days? You really really really really really really really need to. As DJ Larkin was insinuating, you may be delusional.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "apostle" Many follows get hurt all the time, it's not really a sign of creepiness.
It's not really the sign of a lead I'd want to dance with, either.
Sure, sometimes accidents happen, even with the best dancers. But if the follow is getting hurt by something you're doing (like yanking so hard that she thinks you might want to take her arm home as a souvenir), she's not going to be happy. :roll:
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
There's one guy in DC who constantly -- and repeatedly -- overyanks followers and hurts them. I have witnessed his dances end in mid-song with the partner walking away.
And the thing is -- he keeps on coming out, keeps hurting people, and DOESN'T LEARN. Now, the only reason why this guy keeps coming into my radar is because it also turns out he is a poor space-manager and keeps bumping into and kicking people.
This is over the course of seven or eight years, people.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "Bigg_Al" There's one guy in DC who constantly -- and repeatedly -- overyanks followers and hurts them. I have witnessed his dances end in mid-song with the partner walking away.
And the thing is -- he keeps on coming out, keeps hurting people, and DOESN'T LEARN. Now, the only reason why this guy keeps coming into my radar is because it also turns out he is a poor space-manager and keeps bumping into and kicking people.
This is over the course of seven or eight years, people.
Dude. I've danced with him. Older dude, right?
Yeah. Sucks nuts. But I didn't find it creepy. Just crappy.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "apostle" ...(when I was diagnosed with an unspecifed pervasive developmental disorder, which is milder than Autism/Asperger's). The most significant improvement in me was in non-verbal communication, which includes the eliminating my monotone speech and dressing up in semi-formal clothing often....
If you have a form of PDD, you need to eliminate wheat and dairy products from your diet completely. Gluten and casein produce opiate-like substances that your pancreas can't break down properly, and it results in you constantly having chemicals in your system that can definitely distort or interfere with your perceptions. Kind of like having a constant level of morphine in your system. It's really tough to cut out wheat/dairy; but after 2 months you should see an improvement significant enough to be worth the extra effort.
Also, in addition to a multivitamin (<- which everyone should be taking)you should also supplement extra B vitamins, esp. vitamin B12 with folic acid. B12 is water soluble so you can't overdose - most pharmacies and health food stores carry separate B complex vitamins.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
I'd like to point out, Apostle, that you put yourself into the Creepy Leads thread, and then proceeded to make it The Apostle Show: Is He or Isn't He [Creepy]. No one called you out here. You posted that people thought you were creepy and then listed reasons why you believe that you aren't. You insulted the entire swing scene by insisting that people dislike you because they are prejudiced.
DJ's list of things you probably did is more accurate than you realize. Thing is, you can physically hurt a follow, cause her to be uncomfortable, and insult her without ever knowing that you did it. I don't always say "Ow!" every time someone yanks my arm. I usually don't politely explain to someone that he has insulted me, or made me uncomfortable.
Harassment does not equal creepy. YOU posted in a manner that would indicate that you had kissed someone, possibly on the ear, while dancing. That is unacceptable behavior. Whether you did it or not, you made it look like you did. It's your fault that people reacted to what you posted.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "Pink"
Quoted from "apostle" ...(when I was diagnosed with an unspecifed pervasive developmental disorder, which is milder than Autism/Asperger's). The most significant improvement in me was in non-verbal communication, which includes the eliminating my monotone speech and dressing up in semi-formal clothing often....
If you have a form of PDD, you need to eliminate wheat and dairy products from your diet completely. Gluten and casein produce opiate-like substances that your pancreas can't break down properly, and it results in you constantly having chemicals in your system that can definitely distort or interfere with your perceptions. Kind of like having a constant level of morphine in your system. It's really tough to cut out wheat/dairy; but after 2 months you should see an improvement significant enough to be worth the extra effort.
Also, in addition to a multivitamin (<- which everyone should be taking)you should also supplement extra B vitamins, esp. vitamin B12 with folic acid. B12 is water soluble so you can't overdose - most pharmacies and health food stores carry separate B complex vitamins.
:dunno:
That's great advice, but PDD is no excuse for terrible behavior. I know you're not saying it is, but yeah. Carry on.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "redshoes" Harassment does not equal creepy. YOU posted in a manner that would indicate that you had kissed someone, possibly on the ear, while dancing. That is unacceptable behavior. Whether you did it or not, you made it look like you did. It's your fault that people reacted to what you posted.
But didn't I say - earlier in the thread - I never do closed body contact dances such as balboa, so I won't likely to kiss anyone? Plus I want to concentrate on using a frame.
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "Pink" Gluten and casein produce opiate-like substances that your pancreas can't break down properly, and it results in you constantly having chemicals in your system that can definitely distort or interfere with your perceptions. Kind of like having a constant level of morphine in your system.
So, what do you say we go get a grilled cheese sandwich and "distort our perceptions..." :D :o
Originally posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 (5 years ago)
Quoted from "apostle" But didn't I say - earlier in the thread - I never do closed body contact dances such as balboa, so I won't likely to kiss anyone? Plus I want to concentrate on using a frame.
Because Balboa dancers have no frame. Clearly you, unlike the loosey goosey balboa dancers, must be AWESOME.
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Lemme start with a disclaimer: The complaint below is only about a small percentage of our scene. Everyone else is pretty much fun, friendly, welcoming, etc. And the scene is really starting to blossom, which has me pretty excited. That said, we've got a couple of creepy leads that are…
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I wasn't kissing it, I was trying to remove all of that earwax buildup for you. You just can't do people favors these days...
Man... With a tongue that long...
That's right, biotches, I can give my tongue a blowjob.
:green: :green: :green: :green: :green: :green: :green: :green: :green: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This I gotta see. And film. And sell online. :lol:
cree-py!
Good thing I'm not a lead, then, huh? :P
Bzzzt. I'm sorry, you've exceeded your stupidity quotient. I'm only willing to tolerate so much verbal diarrhea before I just [bleep!]ing snap.
People in the swing scene don't give a crap about your skin color.
At all.
Seriously, they don't.
Get the thoughts out of your head, and never think them again. Use a power drill with a diamond tipped bit if you have to.
Stop using this reverse racism crutch. Just. STOP. Its insulting to anyone with even remote usage of higher brain functions. There's no way that that I can stand by and watch you flippantly call the entirety of the Texas swing scene outwardly racist. Its beyond absurd, to the levels of institutional. I've been in the Lindy scene for damn near 10 years now. It's one of the most accepting social groups I've ever encountered. People who most likely couldn't function in normal society are accepted with open arms. It's a venue to forge relationships with other people and learn to interact in an environment where people aren't going to judge you to the standards that the rest of the world does.
No, I'm sorry, you've managed to completely miss the boat on this concept as well. You're likely not as good as you think you are. Thats ok, really. Most people aren't as good as they think they are. However, I think you're seriously overestimating your skills to the point of delusions. Here's the thing about your statement. It doesn't make any sense at all. A beginner doesn't know jack about dancing. That's why they're a beginner. The way they get better is by dancing with people above their skill level. When you're a beginner, thats EVERYONE. So, the excuse doesn't really fly with me. Excuse my High Fidelity moment, but more than likely you did at least one, if not all, of the following 5 things:
1) You physically hurt the follow. 2) You insulted your follow by instructing them on the dance floor. Don't ever do this, its one of the single most insulting things a person can do while dancing. Even if you're light years better than the person, unsolicited advice on their dancing is bad, bad, bad. 3) The person was better than you, and you said something to them that would indicate otherwise. 4) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you physically interacted with them, by looking at them or touching them in a way that was inappropriate 5) You caused them to be uncomfortable due to the way that you verbally interacted with them, by saying something to them that was highly inappropriate.
I'm guessing all of the above.
I'd suggest you don't ever assume anything, ever again. You'll be better off.
I'm not entirely sure how monotone speech falls under non-verbal communication, but I'll let that one slide for now.
What is your definition of social skills? Its obviously not the same as the people you encounter, as the majority seem to believe you do not have any. I'm not sure if the disconnect falls between the realization that you do indeed have a mental disorder and the realization of fallout from your actions, but its possibly a symptom of whatever it is you've been diagnosed with. I feel sorry for you if so, but it does not excuse your behavior. I've been very close to several people in the swing scene with social dysfunction disorders. They managed to control their issues to the point that nobody would ever casually guess there was any issues at all. None of them have managed to lay blanket insults on entire swing scenes. You, on the other hand, radiate it. If its not a symptom, well, then you're just one of the most obtuse people I've ever encountered.
No, coming by yourself is not an issue. Most people go to dances by themselves. The problem is that you try too hard to force yourself in to existing social groups. Human interaction is organic, forcing it will only cause you to get the reactions you've been seeing. Back off and let people approach you, because you obviously do not know how to appropriately initiate interaction with other people.
It takes a lot to get banned from a swing event. You're well on your way, keep trying!
Amanda is a very smart person, though it doesn't take a Mensa member to figure out why someone would find your actions incredibly disturbing. Do you honestly not see where you're going wrong?
You talk about casually doing things that I wouldn't do to people that I've known for all the 10 years I've been dancing. I'm surprised you haven't been banned from a dance doing something like that, or at the very least been kicked in the groin. Kissing a complete stranger against their desire? Not ok. Beyond not ok. Hell, thats assault. A felony.
Just paying a cover does not, NOT, entitle you to violate the trust of any single person in that venue. The scene as a whole is incredibly accepting of different people, but you need to maintain a trust to keep that acceptance. When a person allows you to touch them, and enter in to their personal space, they're going to be infinitely more critical of your actions than if you were outside that space. Any violation of trust, meaning words, looks, touching, or behavior in any way that makes the person unhappy or uncomfortable will resonate on a much deeper level than a normal encounter. I learned that from first hand experience a long time ago. I was just a kid, and I quickly learned what was acceptable and what was unacceptable behavior, so people quickly forgave me for my actions. Where you fall short is that you're not learning from your mistakes. Even worse, you're projecting YOUR social dysfunction on to other people. Seriously uncool. The problem doesn't lie with the people who are rejecting you, it lies with your inability to absorb the simple fact that people do not appreciate how you act towards them.
Actually, I was thinking more of an oral colonoscopy. How I miss prison life.
Ditto.
Except that I disagree with the term "reverse racism". Apostle, unless you've actually heard that someone said, "I won't dance with him because he's black," making that assumption is YOUR racism at work. Period.
I'd love to respond to the rest of what you said, but unlike DJ, I couldn't even get past this ridiculous and insulting line. And I don't even know any Texas dancers. At least not that I can think of offhand.
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I'm a Texas dancer, and personally I don't care if you're black, white or purple, as long as you can dance.
To get the thread back to creepy leads though, here's something I encountered this weekend at the blues workshop, that I thought was uber-creepy: soft finger wiggling. Dancing with this one guy was perfectly fine, posture was fine, connection was fine, except that both his hands were very gently wiggling their fingers through the whole dance, on my hand and back. It was like jazz hands as done by a pedophile. So incredibly creepy. And he had dead fish eyes.
Okay, I'm creeped out second-hand by that.
Ew! :green:
:sayno: It was 2, but I never criticized anyone on the floor for being a bad dancer. As for me or anyone correcting a follow on the dance floor, while it may be considered rude, it not necessarily unusual. However, backleading is unacceptable. I would happily give a chance to dance with a beginner follow twice and not overload with more difficult steps. I will absolutely not do any aerials at all (Sadly, a swing dancer died around 1996 from an aerial routine). Many follows get hurt all the time, it's not really a sign of creepiness.
To this date, I have not received a word from the regional dance societies, or dance venues received any lady's claim of any form of harassment by me. :dunno: No one brought up a claim on any message board. So I may have a good track record with the ladies in every dance floor. I am nothing like the two guys mentioned by Rob in the first post.
Even foreigners or those with English as their secondary language, do not adhere to the norms of social dance (or outside of dance) in the U.S., which are more different overseas. :oops:
That's it, fellows. Because of all the complaints of creepiness on this thread, including the claims of harassment by me (without even seeing me in person). I will probably going to quit swing dancing in the U.S. Let the lady dance with another, I'm going to cop-out on fixing would-have-been missteps. I'm just going to stay at home... :cry: :cry: :cry:
WTF? There were so many non-sequiturs in that post I don't even know where to start.
:crash:
It sounds like you're making a wise choice.
Now that you have some extra time on your hands, why don't you start going to a psychiatrist every couple of days? You really really really really really really really need to. As DJ Larkin was insinuating, you may be delusional.
It's not really the sign of a lead I'd want to dance with, either.
Sure, sometimes accidents happen, even with the best dancers. But if the follow is getting hurt by something you're doing (like yanking so hard that she thinks you might want to take her arm home as a souvenir), she's not going to be happy. :roll:
There's one guy in DC who constantly -- and repeatedly -- overyanks followers and hurts them. I have witnessed his dances end in mid-song with the partner walking away.
And the thing is -- he keeps on coming out, keeps hurting people, and DOESN'T LEARN. Now, the only reason why this guy keeps coming into my radar is because it also turns out he is a poor space-manager and keeps bumping into and kicking people.
This is over the course of seven or eight years, people.
Dude. I've danced with him. Older dude, right?
Yeah. Sucks nuts. But I didn't find it creepy. Just crappy.
Well, at least no follow dismissed me from dancing with her - during a song! :oops:
If you have a form of PDD, you need to eliminate wheat and dairy products from your diet completely. Gluten and casein produce opiate-like substances that your pancreas can't break down properly, and it results in you constantly having chemicals in your system that can definitely distort or interfere with your perceptions. Kind of like having a constant level of morphine in your system. It's really tough to cut out wheat/dairy; but after 2 months you should see an improvement significant enough to be worth the extra effort.
Also, in addition to a multivitamin (<- which everyone should be taking)you should also supplement extra B vitamins, esp. vitamin B12 with folic acid. B12 is water soluble so you can't overdose - most pharmacies and health food stores carry separate B complex vitamins.
:dunno:
I'd like to point out, Apostle, that you put yourself into the Creepy Leads thread, and then proceeded to make it The Apostle Show: Is He or Isn't He [Creepy]. No one called you out here. You posted that people thought you were creepy and then listed reasons why you believe that you aren't. You insulted the entire swing scene by insisting that people dislike you because they are prejudiced.
DJ's list of things you probably did is more accurate than you realize. Thing is, you can physically hurt a follow, cause her to be uncomfortable, and insult her without ever knowing that you did it. I don't always say "Ow!" every time someone yanks my arm. I usually don't politely explain to someone that he has insulted me, or made me uncomfortable.
Harassment does not equal creepy. YOU posted in a manner that would indicate that you had kissed someone, possibly on the ear, while dancing. That is unacceptable behavior. Whether you did it or not, you made it look like you did. It's your fault that people reacted to what you posted.
Just you wait. Judging by what you're saying I'm sure it'll happen eventually.
That's great advice, but PDD is no excuse for terrible behavior. I know you're not saying it is, but yeah. Carry on.
But didn't I say - earlier in the thread - I never do closed body contact dances such as balboa, so I won't likely to kiss anyone? Plus I want to concentrate on using a frame.
So, what do you say we go get a grilled cheese sandwich and "distort our perceptions..." :D :o
Yeah baby, keep talkin'....
seductively eats cheese cubes
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I just read that and thought of the euphemistic meaning of "grilled cheese sandwich" first, and was momentarily very confused... :green:
This thread is still the Apostelator Show??
Christ.
Because Balboa dancers have no frame. Clearly you, unlike the loosey goosey balboa dancers, must be AWESOME.
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