According to a recent Harvard Institute of Politics survey, Kerry has a 17% margin over Bush in the swing states among college students. Approximately 80% of students (vs. 50% in 2004) definitely plan to vote, and of those more than 70% said they are already registered and prepared to do so. College students are not normally counted in polls since most have cell phones.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Those are some good polls there :thumbup:
Three things that surprised me:
- 50 of college students voted in 2000? I had thought it was lower. It is also good to see that 80 of college students plan to vote this year. That is much higher than the general population... if that trend holds, politicians will be forced to take our generation into account when thinking about Social Security, Medicare, etc.
- Also thought Kerry would have more like a 20-30 lead in college students. Again the closeness (comparatively speaking) is good, because it means politicians will campaign to us. If it were 90-10 , that would be incentive for democrats to run GOTV efforts on campus, but no incentive for either party to truly address the issues that concern us.
- Had thought the support for the war, when it was begun, was much closer than the 65-29 cited in the third link. I guess I just remember the campus protests and the student activists were against it. :dunno:
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
And don't forget that you don't have to have a permanent address in that state of your school to vote. A lot of poll workers will tell you that you can't vote in your school state because you're a student, that you have to vote at home. This happened to me in 2000 and only by calling a hotline was I finally able to vote.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
There was an article about Univ of Texas at Austin college students online. In ONE day, the number of students in line for early voting SURPASSED the TOTAL number of kids that voted in the 2000 election.
BTW, the Univ of Texas newspaper endorsed Kerry... interesting factoid: it was the UT law school that REJECTED Bush back when he applied.
Another note: On Larry King tonight, they mentioned that Bush is doing better among the less-educated, while Kerry is doing very well among the college educated. Big surprise, huh.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "suey"
Another note: On Larry King tonight, they mentioned that Bush is doing better among the less-educated, while Kerry is doing very well among the college educated. Big surprise, huh.
:roll:
No surprise at all. The supporting bases and platforms haven't changed much since 2000 or any of the other recent elections, and that is still that republicans (somewhat) look after rural interests while democrats look after urban interests, and predictably these groups strongly favor the party that "protects them." There are much fewer educational opportunities for people coming from rural areas than for people living in cities. I know people who went to high schools where only the valedictorian gets to go to college (automatic admission) and everyone else just picks up a low-level local job. The Votemaster from electoral-vote.com talked about how this election is perhaps as big of a culture war as it has ever been, pitting the wealthy and educated from urban centers against the poor and uneducated from the sparsely populated countryside... with the educated and super-wealthy suburbs tending to be something more of a draw.
The only democratic president we've had during my lifetime had a big appeal to rural voters and kept the promises he made to them. I think this was key to Clinton's re-election, which happened before the economy reached its peak growth during his second term... Dole could not depend so much on a traditional republican base. Traditional swing states became blue and weak red states became the battleground... it was a losing battle for the senator from Kansas. But if it comes down to battles of getting out the vote, I want my base concentrated in a small area to make campaign efforts more efficient. You no longer need to win over these voters to get some of the battleground states (to say nothing of the more industrialized "blue states"), and if city voter turnout rates get to be 5-10 higher than rural ones - if it's not already - then that really alters campaign strategy.
I personally believe that if the republicans lose this election and 2008, it will be time (strategically) for them to adopt a more urban-centered platform. Which is really going to suck for country dwellers, but eventually it is going to happen. If not now, then in the not-so-distant future. It's partly natural trends population growth and human movement, but it is a lot about voter turnout and dilution of power as well.
This is actually very exciting for libertarians. If the GOP falters on this transition, that will be an opening to grab political power. And though this power grab would initially come from republicans and create political imbalance, I also think there are many people who vote democrat (especially independents) who are simply more in agreement with the dems than the reps on a few social issues, but are really looking for a viable candidate who is not going to outlaw a freedom that is important to them. With mass media becoming more widespread and the internet a very cheap way to advertise, financial advantages and the ability to send a candidate and his campaign workers all over the country for publicity becomes less important (though it can still make or break a campaign today). If we move to Indirect Runoff Voting and allow third parties to debate like in 1992, then I think the libs are in a good position to start a power base. Unlike other third parties, they have already achieved nationwide ballot access and have been able to get a fair amount of local offices... for a small party. That, or the republicans will adopt a merged platform of the two and probably force the dems to come further center a bit themselves on some issues. That is more what the "50/50 Nation" would suggest.
Back to your comment, academia is a pretty liberal setting, for sure, but I think that is because it appeals to a liberal mindset while the business world appeals to a conservative mindset. I don't think academia turns people into democrats. :-? Well, not in the areas I've been in anyway...
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "suey"
Another note: On Larry King tonight, they mentioned that Bush is doing better among the less-educated, while Kerry is doing very well among the college educated. Big surprise, huh.
:roll:
Yeah, it fits his whole persona of the everyday cowboy. Good thing most college kids aren't going for that.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" I'm just confused.
I'm one of those charming young college students who sure would love to vote....
But I'm registered in my hometown. And .. I forgot to send in for an absentee ballot.
I'm stuck, aren't I? I can't fly home to vote... on a tuesday.. not happening . :-?
Overnight express a photo ID home and have a friend who looks like you vote for you.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Signet"
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" I'm just confused.
I'm one of those charming young college students who sure would love to vote....
But I'm registered in my hometown. And .. I forgot to send in for an absentee ballot.
I'm stuck, aren't I? I can't fly home to vote... on a tuesday.. not happening . :-?
Overnight express a photo ID home and have a friend who looks like you vote for you.
(kidding....)
....
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey. Good idea. :-?
There is actually somebody in my hometown that looks exactly like me. I haven't met her, but I've heard of her, and I've been mistaken for her on several different occasions. It's kind of scary. Maybe I could find her! ...
Yet I don't see that going over too well. I think I will just have to sit back, cross my fingers, and try not to complain about it all too much.
Originally posted Monday, November 1, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" I'm just confused.
I'm one of those charming young college students who sure would love to vote....
But I'm registered in my hometown. And .. I forgot to send in for an absentee ballot.
I'm stuck, aren't I? I can't fly home to vote... on a tuesday.. not happening . :-?
If your hometown is the same as the state you're in right now, you can bring your absentee ballot to any polling place close to you now. If we're talking about two different states all together.... than you just join all the non-voters in hoping for the best.
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
I've been told by the state of Minnesota that I could register in Kansas, vote in the August primaries, then register in Minnesota for November elections every year if I wanted to. Being registered in Kansas wouldn't mean a darned thing if I hadn't voted in Kansas in November. However, Minnesota's lenient enough to have same-day registrations. Double-check what your state will allow.
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "misnola"
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" I'm just confused.
I'm one of those charming young college students who sure would love to vote....
But I'm registered in my hometown. And .. I forgot to send in for an absentee ballot.
I'm stuck, aren't I? I can't fly home to vote... on a tuesday.. not happening . :-?
If your hometown is the same as the state you're in right now, you can bring your absentee ballot to any polling place close to you now. If we're talking about two different states all together.... than you just join all the non-voters in hoping for the best.
Oh, if only that were the case. We're actually talking California vs. Tennessee. I'm 2,000 miles away from my hometown. So... here I am... a "non-voter hoping for the best"! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
Well, yeah, but... sniff sniff .... I wanted to vote!! :cry:
See, I turned 18 in March. That's supposed to be exciting, right?? 18?? I'm an "adult?" Well, I don't think it's all that exciting. I'm too young to drink, I don't want to smoke, and I'm not planning on getting married right now. So the only thing I can do that I actually want to do is vote!! I was pretty excited about it!
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" Well, yeah, but... sniff sniff .... I wanted to vote!! :cry:
See, I turned 18 in March. That's supposed to be exciting, right?? 18?? I'm an "adult?" Well, I don't think it's all that exciting. I'm too young to drink, I don't want to smoke, and I'm not planning on getting married right now. So the only thing I can do that I actually want to do is vote!! I was pretty excited about it!
And now I can't.... :-?
Oh dear, she's young, beautiful (judging by the avatar) and states she wants to do something exciting and adult. That's an invitation for disaster around here... 8)
The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Sublindy" Most college students don't vote, do they?
Oh, you might be surprised!!
There's a huge movement to promote voting among students -- particularly at my University. Rockthevote.com would be a good example. But I'm also finding a lot of people are in my situation -- we somehow screwed up and can't vote this time. Be it a late and/or unsuccessful voter registration, forgetting to send in for an absentee ballot, or simply the absentee ballots not coming in the mail (haven't heard the latest on that one, but it's kind of scary...), we just haven't been successful. But a lot of students I've talked to have voted today, so... :shrug: .. good for them.
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" Well, yeah, but... sniff sniff .... I wanted to vote!! :cry:
See, I turned 18 in March. That's supposed to be exciting, right?? 18?? I'm an "adult?" Well, I don't think it's all that exciting. I'm too young to drink, I don't want to smoke, and I'm not planning on getting married right now. So the only thing I can do that I actually want to do is vote!! I was pretty excited about it!
And now I can't.... :-?
You can also sleep with men over the age of 21 now ;)
Originally posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004 (7 years ago)
you should also check out provisioanl ballots. if you go to a polling place and are not registered there, but aree registered somewhere they will allow you to vote on teh provisional ballot and then they double check that youu hadn't voted twice before processing it.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
My target of the moment is America's youth - probably because I had such hopes for them. But, they are too stupid and incompetant to vote at all. Let alone vote with a brain.
I should have realized that with the conversations I had with kids.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "SwingSprite"
Quoted from "GotThatSwing" Well, yeah, but... sniff sniff .... I wanted to vote!! :cry:
See, I turned 18 in March. That's supposed to be exciting, right?? 18?? I'm an "adult?" Well, I don't think it's all that exciting. I'm too young to drink, I don't want to smoke, and I'm not planning on getting married right now. So the only thing I can do that I actually want to do is vote!! I was pretty excited about it!
And now I can't.... :-?
You can also sleep with men over the age of 21 now ;)
Yeah, I wasn't going to mention that one... but it's the best part!! :wink: --and the worst part. Now that I'm no longer a minor, I have a 24-year-old Vietnamese sushi chef stalker... and I'd rather not talk about it. :-?
...
And thanks, everyone, for giving me different ways I could have voted... but the biggest problem is that I don't have a car. So I can't go anywhere to vote. I'm... stranded... as usual. :shrug:
Kerry has big lead among college students in swing states...
According to a recent Harvard Institute of Politics survey, Kerry has a 17% margin over Bush in the swing states among college students. Approximately 80% of students (vs. 50% in 2004) definitely plan to vote, and of those more than 70% said they are already registered and prepared to do so. College students are not normally counted in polls since most have cell phones.
For more on this:
http://www.iop.harvard.edu/pdfs/newsroom/survey_fall_2004.pdf http://www.iop.harvard.edu/pdfs/survey/fall_2004.pdf http://www.iop.harvard.edu/pdfs/survey/fall_2004_topline.pdf
YOU may have the power to swing this election... If you're in school get out and VOTE and remind your friends to do the same!!!
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Ummmmm.....youth are liberal? Wow. :wink:
Those are some good polls there :thumbup:
Three things that surprised me: - 50 of college students voted in 2000? I had thought it was lower. It is also good to see that 80 of college students plan to vote this year. That is much higher than the general population... if that trend holds, politicians will be forced to take our generation into account when thinking about Social Security, Medicare, etc. - Also thought Kerry would have more like a 20-30 lead in college students. Again the closeness (comparatively speaking) is good, because it means politicians will campaign to us. If it were 90-10 , that would be incentive for democrats to run GOTV efforts on campus, but no incentive for either party to truly address the issues that concern us. - Had thought the support for the war, when it was begun, was much closer than the 65-29 cited in the third link. I guess I just remember the campus protests and the student activists were against it. :dunno:
So that is good to know...
- James
And don't forget that you don't have to have a permanent address in that state of your school to vote. A lot of poll workers will tell you that you can't vote in your school state because you're a student, that you have to vote at home. This happened to me in 2000 and only by calling a hotline was I finally able to vote.
Don't let the fascists get you down.
Call 1-866-OUR VOTE if you have a problem.
There was an article about Univ of Texas at Austin college students online. In ONE day, the number of students in line for early voting SURPASSED the TOTAL number of kids that voted in the 2000 election.
BTW, the Univ of Texas newspaper endorsed Kerry... interesting factoid: it was the UT law school that REJECTED Bush back when he applied.
Another note: On Larry King tonight, they mentioned that Bush is doing better among the less-educated, while Kerry is doing very well among the college educated. Big surprise, huh.
:roll:
No surprise at all. The supporting bases and platforms haven't changed much since 2000 or any of the other recent elections, and that is still that republicans (somewhat) look after rural interests while democrats look after urban interests, and predictably these groups strongly favor the party that "protects them." There are much fewer educational opportunities for people coming from rural areas than for people living in cities. I know people who went to high schools where only the valedictorian gets to go to college (automatic admission) and everyone else just picks up a low-level local job. The Votemaster from electoral-vote.com talked about how this election is perhaps as big of a culture war as it has ever been, pitting the wealthy and educated from urban centers against the poor and uneducated from the sparsely populated countryside... with the educated and super-wealthy suburbs tending to be something more of a draw.
The only democratic president we've had during my lifetime had a big appeal to rural voters and kept the promises he made to them. I think this was key to Clinton's re-election, which happened before the economy reached its peak growth during his second term... Dole could not depend so much on a traditional republican base. Traditional swing states became blue and weak red states became the battleground... it was a losing battle for the senator from Kansas. But if it comes down to battles of getting out the vote, I want my base concentrated in a small area to make campaign efforts more efficient. You no longer need to win over these voters to get some of the battleground states (to say nothing of the more industrialized "blue states"), and if city voter turnout rates get to be 5-10 higher than rural ones - if it's not already - then that really alters campaign strategy.
I personally believe that if the republicans lose this election and 2008, it will be time (strategically) for them to adopt a more urban-centered platform. Which is really going to suck for country dwellers, but eventually it is going to happen. If not now, then in the not-so-distant future. It's partly natural trends population growth and human movement, but it is a lot about voter turnout and dilution of power as well.
This is actually very exciting for libertarians. If the GOP falters on this transition, that will be an opening to grab political power. And though this power grab would initially come from republicans and create political imbalance, I also think there are many people who vote democrat (especially independents) who are simply more in agreement with the dems than the reps on a few social issues, but are really looking for a viable candidate who is not going to outlaw a freedom that is important to them. With mass media becoming more widespread and the internet a very cheap way to advertise, financial advantages and the ability to send a candidate and his campaign workers all over the country for publicity becomes less important (though it can still make or break a campaign today). If we move to Indirect Runoff Voting and allow third parties to debate like in 1992, then I think the libs are in a good position to start a power base. Unlike other third parties, they have already achieved nationwide ballot access and have been able to get a fair amount of local offices... for a small party. That, or the republicans will adopt a merged platform of the two and probably force the dems to come further center a bit themselves on some issues. That is more what the "50/50 Nation" would suggest.
Back to your comment, academia is a pretty liberal setting, for sure, but I think that is because it appeals to a liberal mindset while the business world appeals to a conservative mindset. I don't think academia turns people into democrats. :-? Well, not in the areas I've been in anyway...
- James
Yeah, it fits his whole persona of the everyday cowboy. Good thing most college kids aren't going for that.
I need to impress some sexy coeds, so I guess I'll be voting Kerry. Or do I vote Bush to get in good with farmers' daughters? Decisions, decisions.
They say the Midwest farmers' daughters really make you feel alright. :P
- James
I'm just confused.
I'm one of those charming young college students who sure would love to vote....
But I'm registered in my hometown. And .. I forgot to send in for an absentee ballot.
I'm stuck, aren't I? I can't fly home to vote... on a tuesday.. not happening . :-?
Overnight express a photo ID home and have a friend who looks like you vote for you.
(kidding....)
- James
The liberals of today are the conservatives of tomorrow....
....
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey. Good idea. :-?
There is actually somebody in my hometown that looks exactly like me. I haven't met her, but I've heard of her, and I've been mistaken for her on several different occasions. It's kind of scary. Maybe I could find her! ... Yet I don't see that going over too well. I think I will just have to sit back, cross my fingers, and try not to complain about it all too much.
But thanks for the suggestion. :roll:
If your hometown is the same as the state you're in right now, you can bring your absentee ballot to any polling place close to you now. If we're talking about two different states all together.... than you just join all the non-voters in hoping for the best.
I've been told by the state of Minnesota that I could register in Kansas, vote in the August primaries, then register in Minnesota for November elections every year if I wanted to. Being registered in Kansas wouldn't mean a darned thing if I hadn't voted in Kansas in November. However, Minnesota's lenient enough to have same-day registrations. Double-check what your state will allow.
Oh, if only that were the case. We're actually talking California vs. Tennessee. I'm 2,000 miles away from my hometown. So... here I am... a "non-voter hoping for the best"! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
Doesn't matter, neither of those states are up for grabs.
Well, yeah, but... sniff sniff .... I wanted to vote!! :cry:
See, I turned 18 in March. That's supposed to be exciting, right?? 18?? I'm an "adult?" Well, I don't think it's all that exciting. I'm too young to drink, I don't want to smoke, and I'm not planning on getting married right now. So the only thing I can do that I actually want to do is vote!! I was pretty excited about it!
And now I can't.... :-?
Surely there are some good races or initiatives somewhere on the ballot :wink:
- James
Oh dear, she's young, beautiful (judging by the avatar) and states she wants to do something exciting and adult. That's an invitation for disaster around here... 8)
The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...
Vote Kerry
Vote Tammany!
ORBIS NON SUFFICIT
Most college students don't vote, do they?
Sure they do, Subbie. Those class presidents don't elect themselves!
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
Oh, you might be surprised!! There's a huge movement to promote voting among students -- particularly at my University. Rockthevote.com would be a good example. But I'm also finding a lot of people are in my situation -- we somehow screwed up and can't vote this time. Be it a late and/or unsuccessful voter registration, forgetting to send in for an absentee ballot, or simply the absentee ballots not coming in the mail (haven't heard the latest on that one, but it's kind of scary...), we just haven't been successful. But a lot of students I've talked to have voted today, so... :shrug: .. good for them.
I voted absentee for all major elections while I was off at school. (1987- 1991) The only thing I missed were a coupole of county things I believe.
The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...
You can also sleep with men over the age of 21 now ;)
you should also check out provisioanl ballots. if you go to a polling place and are not registered there, but aree registered somewhere they will allow you to vote on teh provisional ballot and then they double check that youu hadn't voted twice before processing it.
My target of the moment is America's youth - probably because I had such hopes for them. But, they are too stupid and incompetant to vote at all. Let alone vote with a brain.
I should have realized that with the conversations I had with kids.
And I doubt it will get any better.
Yeah, I wasn't going to mention that one... but it's the best part!! :wink: --and the worst part. Now that I'm no longer a minor, I have a 24-year-old Vietnamese sushi chef stalker... and I'd rather not talk about it. :-?
...
And thanks, everyone, for giving me different ways I could have voted... but the biggest problem is that I don't have a car. So I can't go anywhere to vote. I'm... stranded... as usual. :shrug:
Re: My last post on this thread.
Absentee ballot. Or ask someone for a ride. It's not hard.
It was a huge voter turnout this year - but not for those 18-29 year olds. They're too busy.
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