According to a recent Harvard Institute of Politics survey, Kerry has a 17% margin over Bush in the swing states among college students. Approximately 80% of students (vs. 50% in 2004) definitely plan to vote, and of those more than 70% said they are already registered and prepared to do so.…
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Larry" My target of the moment is America's youth - probably because I had such hopes for them. But, they are too stupid and incompetant to vote at all. Let alone vote with a brain.
I should have realized that with the conversations I had with kids.
And I doubt it will get any better.
Ooh. Ouch. That was cold.
Don't stereotype us young people! After all, you were young, once! We all have potential. I have to admit, I am usually floored by the blatant lack of common sense I see in some of my peers. But we're not all incompetent -- notice I say "incompetent" and not "incompetant". I can, however, say that a lot of us are pretty ignorant. I think "ignorant" is a better word than "stupid", anyway. Ignorant implies a changeable condition, but stupid is for life.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Larry" Re: My last post on this thread.
Absentee ballot. Or ask someone for a ride. It's not hard.
It was a huge voter turnout this year - but not for those 18-29 year olds. They're too busy.
Too late = These solutions were not presented to me until after 8PM which, conveniently enough, is the time at which the polls close. If I had known earlier, I would have found a ride. :)
I don't feel too bad... at least I care and I tried. I did everything in my power to vote. I registered. I tried to sent in for a ballot, but it was too late. They like to make things complicated, don't they?
One of my friends from Missouri couldn't vote because she had to get her absentee ballot validated. Someone was going to be here on campus to do that, but they never showed up. I don't think it should have to be this complicated.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
According to CNN the 18-24 yr old vote did not come out in significantly greater numbers than in 2000. It was not clear if the overall number was the same, or the overall percentage was the same. But it kind of sucks. Perhaps if Bush institutes the draft, they will become interested in voting.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
i'm much more upset with them than ohioans. maybe ohio just has a conservative culture, ok.
but college kids across the nation checking out? dammit that's just wrong and despicable.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Hey at least Illinois whipped some ass. Bluest state. Not only did we send a Democratic Senator who's African American, we also beat a 17x Republican incumbent in the House.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Wexie" According to CNN the 18-24 yr old vote did not come out in significantly greater numbers than in 2000. It was not clear if the overall number was the same, or the overall percentage was the same. But it kind of sucks. Perhaps if Bush institutes the draft, they will become interested in voting.
I wonder if the Administration hadn't clamped down so hard on news coverage over the returning bodies from the Middle East if there wouldn't have been a stronger turnout...
The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
The college age student turnout, as reported on TV, sounds extremely low. I suppose it's just like all the previous presidential elections, although someone might check that out.
I am old enough to remember the Viet Nam era and there seemed to be a hell of alot more activity in the college campus' at that time. And, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it totally to the draft. There seemed to be political demonstrations on every campus every week. Has the youth become more apathetic? Or is it the same old same old?
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
I don't mean to be harsh on the young people and don't mean to personally attack you - you did try and did better than most in your group. But, it sure looks like I've listed plenty of reasons to do so. I am stereotyping them because more than any other group, I see figures that make it ludicrous not to categorize them (i.e. 17 turnout means they don't vote as a group).
But, also if they all did vote, I'm not so sure things would be better. What I really need is for them to get knowledgeable and care. And I have little hopes of that.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Larry" My target of the moment is America's youth - probably because I had such hopes for them. But, they are too stupid and incompetant to vote at all. Let alone vote with a brain.
I should have realized that with the conversations I had with kids.
And I doubt it will get any better.
That's very uncharacteristically negative for you. Did Dangerous Larry take over when you posted this?
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
No, it's cool -- I totally see what you are saying.
I think my opinion on student voters is unfortunately skewed because of my school. Some students on campus have started a huge political movement, and it has really taken over my university -- but I'm afraid it isn't as widespread as I had originally understood.
People are really serious about it here: there's political stickers on cars everywhere, advertisements for both the R. and D. clubs on campus, and a lot of the dorm buildings have political signs and themes going -- even red, white and blue paint on dorm windows advertising the candidates that they support. In fact, the whole campaign seems to have caused more excitement than the World Series around here. You can't go anywhere without hearing people talk about it -- yesterday a lot of students had Kerry or Bush bumper stickers slapped onto their butts. Buttons, pins, t-shirts, signs, posters... you can't round a corner without seeing them.
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
A friend of mine told me this, but I am going to keep her anonymous out of her privacy.
Quoted from "Mugsy's Friend, who is 22 years old"
oh yeah, and i vote that the names of all the 18-29 year olds that didn't vote go to the top of the list if/when w. starts the draft.
how do you feel about franchise now, beeyatches??
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
Originally posted Wednesday, November 3, 2004 (7 years ago)
Quoted from "Wexie" According to CNN the 18-24 yr old vote did not come out in significantly greater numbers than in 2000. It was not clear if the overall number was the same, or the overall percentage was the same. But it kind of sucks. Perhaps if Bush institutes the draft, they will become interested in voting.
Originally posted Thursday, November 4, 2004 (7 years ago)
That 17 number is being bandied around incorrectly by some (not by RM, she's using it properly).
It's not that only 17 of the voters 18-29 voted...they represented 17 of the electorate.
From the Washington Post:
Quote And the number of voters younger than 30 grew to at least 20.9 million. The nonpartisan voter advocacy group Rock the Vote said the surge in young voters reversed a decline that had lasted more than three decades except for a spike in 1992.
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Young voters, despite their increased numbers, made up 17 percent of 2004's total vote, unchanged from 2000:
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Kerry has big lead among college students in swing states...
According to a recent Harvard Institute of Politics survey, Kerry has a 17% margin over Bush in the swing states among college students. Approximately 80% of students (vs. 50% in 2004) definitely plan to vote, and of those more than 70% said they are already registered and prepared to do so.…
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Ooh. Ouch. That was cold. Don't stereotype us young people! After all, you were young, once! We all have potential. I have to admit, I am usually floored by the blatant lack of common sense I see in some of my peers. But we're not all incompetent -- notice I say "incompetent" and not "incompetant". I can, however, say that a lot of us are pretty ignorant. I think "ignorant" is a better word than "stupid", anyway. Ignorant implies a changeable condition, but stupid is for life.
Too late = These solutions were not presented to me until after 8PM which, conveniently enough, is the time at which the polls close. If I had known earlier, I would have found a ride. :)
I don't feel too bad... at least I care and I tried. I did everything in my power to vote. I registered. I tried to sent in for a ballot, but it was too late. They like to make things complicated, don't they?
One of my friends from Missouri couldn't vote because she had to get her absentee ballot validated. Someone was going to be here on campus to do that, but they never showed up. I don't think it should have to be this complicated.
17
That's all I'm sayin'.
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
According to CNN the 18-24 yr old vote did not come out in significantly greater numbers than in 2000. It was not clear if the overall number was the same, or the overall percentage was the same. But it kind of sucks. Perhaps if Bush institutes the draft, they will become interested in voting.
i'm much more upset with them than ohioans. maybe ohio just has a conservative culture, ok. but college kids across the nation checking out? dammit that's just wrong and despicable.
Hey at least Illinois whipped some ass. Bluest state. Not only did we send a Democratic Senator who's African American, we also beat a 17x Republican incumbent in the House.
I wonder if the Administration hadn't clamped down so hard on news coverage over the returning bodies from the Middle East if there wouldn't have been a stronger turnout...
The velocity of Spanish is that many tables do not have sadness...
Although if you look at the voting by county, the whole state is Red except for Chicago :)
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
The college age student turnout, as reported on TV, sounds extremely low. I suppose it's just like all the previous presidential elections, although someone might check that out.
I am old enough to remember the Viet Nam era and there seemed to be a hell of alot more activity in the college campus' at that time. And, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it totally to the draft. There seemed to be political demonstrations on every campus every week. Has the youth become more apathetic? Or is it the same old same old?
I don't mean to be harsh on the young people and don't mean to personally attack you - you did try and did better than most in your group. But, it sure looks like I've listed plenty of reasons to do so. I am stereotyping them because more than any other group, I see figures that make it ludicrous not to categorize them (i.e. 17 turnout means they don't vote as a group).
But, also if they all did vote, I'm not so sure things would be better. What I really need is for them to get knowledgeable and care. And I have little hopes of that.
As Larry said, the generalization doesn't necessarily apply to each individual.
What would be interesting would be to see what percentage of registered voters who are college students showed up at the polls.
My two college student sisters (18 and 22) both voted yesterday. Well, actually they voted a few weeks ago, absentee :)
I guess all those "stoned slackers" aren't the powerful mobilization force that O'Reilly feared.
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
That's very uncharacteristically negative for you. Did Dangerous Larry take over when you posted this?
No, it's cool -- I totally see what you are saying.
I think my opinion on student voters is unfortunately skewed because of my school. Some students on campus have started a huge political movement, and it has really taken over my university -- but I'm afraid it isn't as widespread as I had originally understood. People are really serious about it here: there's political stickers on cars everywhere, advertisements for both the R. and D. clubs on campus, and a lot of the dorm buildings have political signs and themes going -- even red, white and blue paint on dorm windows advertising the candidates that they support. In fact, the whole campaign seems to have caused more excitement than the World Series around here. You can't go anywhere without hearing people talk about it -- yesterday a lot of students had Kerry or Bush bumper stickers slapped onto their butts. Buttons, pins, t-shirts, signs, posters... you can't round a corner without seeing them.
But I guess it's only here.
My town is a college town and really quite a liberal town.
My county voted Kerry.
A friend of mine told me this, but I am going to keep her anonymous out of her privacy.
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
Yes, you pooh-pooh'd me on another thread when I posted in reaction to EA triumphant "we have changed the face of politics."
Not. 17 was the same turnout in 2000. There wasn't even an increase.
The percentage was the same.
The face of politics was not changed.
Where's EA now?
That 17 number is being bandied around incorrectly by some (not by RM, she's using it properly).
It's not that only 17 of the voters 18-29 voted...they represented 17 of the electorate.
From the Washington Post:
We are the keepers of Funny, the Judges, the Whisperers. We are Superior Naysayers And Rebukers of Knavery. We are SNARK. - Boosh!
Actually, hell...maybe it's better if the youth of America don't vote...
thanksmarcelogoodidea
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:lol: :lol: Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
I must be tired. I didn't get it at first.
d'oh! :oops:
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