Quoted from "arcecat"
I always vote on morals and values. I also vote for someone who says they are a strong Christian cause I believe then that they will pray about the issues and seek God's help in making a decisions. That is why I voted the way I did. It's not open for debate.

Well said.

I voted based on issues, morals, and character. Bush took the cake. Kerry, is unfaithful to his beliefs; contrary to my political stance; & lead a smear campaign. None of that is suitable qualities for leadership.

Thank GOD Bush won!

Quoted from "Captain Morgan"
I voted based on issues, morals, and character. Bush took the cake.

Out of curiosity, have you not noticed the enormous list of dead Americans in Iraq that is growing daily?

Oh, apparently the invasion of Iraq was a moral decision. What did we do with all of those WMDs we found, btw?

I simply cannot forgive this man of his complete lie to the faces of the entire American public. The worst part is, he even had me fooled, for about a week. And the fact that the rest of the nation seems to have utterly ignored the fact that a "leader" does not LIE TO and then SACRIFICE his own people for NO GOOD REASON really exasperates me.

Quoted from "arcecat"
Sorry I just keep thinking about the millions of people that Saddam killed and the millions that would have been killed had he remained in power.

So the end justifies the means?

And when did we become responsible for the rest of the world?

Do you not get the joke of this title?

Team America: World Police?

Quoted from "arcecat"
Ok deadkitty then another way of looking at it is "is anyone perfect". Is there someone who has never hurt the feelings of another person? But you might be one who doesn't see anything as ever being wrong then yes you would disagree with me on this issure.

Marcelo was the first to mention the word sinners......

Quoted from "Poke Alex"
Out of curiosity, have you not noticed the enormous list of dead Americans in Iraq that is growing daily?

The list keeps growing.

http://www.yehoodi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68791&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I'm for gun ownership.

THIRD!

Quoted from "Poke Alex"
Right, because no one that works all the time could ever be poor. Or have had money in the past, but lost it all recently. Or receive an unequal wage due to discrimination of some kind. Apparently you missed about 98 of the statistics in that chart.

Working hard and not making a lot of money doesnt mean you should get part of someone elses paycheck. If you had money in the past and lost it, thats your problem, work hard and get it back. If your a minority whos gettin an unequal wage, it sounds like its time for a new job, quit making excuses, act like a republican, work harder and get a real job.

You are a stupid troll.

EDITED --- to remove an inaccuracy regarding who started this thread! Rubymae didn't start this thread. ---

Quoted from "Marcelo"

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If you want to be secure, then you have to give up some liberties and vice versa.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin. You'll pry my civil rights from my cold dead terrorist-bombed hand. I'd rather die a free man than live securely with tape over my mouth.

I completely agree with that sentiment. I do not really like Bush's ideas on how to approach security. But, I don't think I would like Kerry's that much either. I prefer something that encourages our freedom, because freedom, with everyone watching each other's back is the best security we can ask for.

However...

Quoted from "arcecat"
I always vote on morals and values. I also vote for someone who says they are a strong Christian cause I believe then that they will pray about the issues and seek God's help in making a decisions. That is why I voted the way I did. It's not open for debate.

I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks arcecat!

Quoted from "RubyMae"
I really hope the Yehoodistrators create a special award for arcecat next year. It would be entitled, "Single handed train wreck" (or maybe calamity Jane). This award would be given to the Yehoodite who is responsible for derailing more threads than all the other Yehoodites put together.

Hehe. Really, we are very polarized here in yehoodi, it seems like it is difficult for people on either side to have a good conversation. However, she was doing her best to answer the question in...psst...the title of this thread! How do us "conservatives" think? It takes 2 or 3 to create an argument. You did not have to argue over it, or be offended because she was just saying what she thinks. After all...don't feed the trolls.

Include me among those "trolls" if you do not like what I am about to say, none of it is personal, but this thread kind of asks for our perspective, and this post is expressing mine.

About being informed vs ill-informed. It is all about what information you take in. If you regularly follow the news, the media on TV, you are likely to lean more towards their side. Especially if you notice how negative the TV has been over the war. Try watching Fox news regularly (I heard they are conservative). Over time, your view might change. I'm not recommending this, but I'm just using this as an example of how people's view is drastically affected by what they take in.

I cannot speak for arcecat, but I think she is merely saying that she wants to control that input. In fact, I do that too. Everyone does that to some degree, even if they might say they don't. We all want to be informed, yes, but I'm pretty sure you have heard that misinformation is worse than no information. How do you know that the media on TV who are all overly negative are telling the truth? Are you on the ground, fighting the war? Keep in mind that I believe more military votes went to Bush.

Quoted from "hoya01"

Quoted from "arcecat"
If someone is pro-choice and is voted into office their morals are imposed on me so then anyone who votes for a pro-choice person isn't moral cause they are voting for someone who will impose their values....at least according to what you said.

Must . . . try . . . to keep . . . multiple inconsistent ideas . . . in head . . . at same time.

Haha, yes, that definitely looks inconsistent at the first look, I'll admit it! I'll attempt to try to explain it, but I'm not claiming to speak for arcecat!

If you follow what I said before about informed vs ill-informed, and controlling the input, then THAT is the key. Most Christians work hard, day by day, to control that information they take in. They train their mind daily to match God's values, especially the ones in the bible. Then, when they go into society, they get bombarded with other set of inputs. Several big inputs like what you hear on TV, in the newspaper, read in the magazines, and what you hear John Doe saying at work.

If you look at it that way, if our society starts teaching in schools, and making laws that support, for example, gay/lesbian rights. That is being taught in schools as acceptable, you will hear it again and again everywhere you go. When I go to work, my co-workers will be saying it is ok.

Then if I say I believe the bible, and that the bible says it is wrong, then everyone accuses me of discrimination. As much as I love and care about those people, I believe that their action is wrong. Do not confuse hating the action with hating the person! Like a parent might hate it when their child steals something, that parent still loves their child. No, no....I'm not saying I want to "parent" those people, I'm not their dad :-)

Likewise, when people support abortion, if I have kids, when I send them to school, and they might actually be taught that it is ok to kill an unborn baby. That kind of idea tends to rub off, even onto Christians. We merely want some say in which direction society is headed. Because this direction is what determines what is taught in school, and what we will hear when we go to work. It is the direction that will dictate what the next generations to come will believe.

I feel Democrats have been focused on setting that "bar", so to speak, to a point where it permits anyone, and everyone's beliefs. That is great, but lately their goal has been to set it so low that nobody will have issues about what they are prevented from doing. But being "all-permissive" in a society with many different belief is not healthy for any of those beliefs. The problem is that no matter where you set the bar, it will contradict someone, somewhere's belief. Some will complain "too high", others might complain "too low". I want a healthy level for all.

That is a starter, not the whole story, though. It just explains the part about how "reverse" imposition can happen due to being too permissive.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense here. I'm trying to express it the best I can. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.

Peace out! :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

Quoted from "jlyertv"
Most Christians work hard, day by day, to control that information they take in. They train their mind daily to match God's values, especially the ones in the bible.

I suppose suggesting that that's the problem would be useless.

Gallup has also released statistics about who voted for whom. Given the inaccuracy of CNN and FOX's exit polls (appearing to give Kerry an edge in OH and FL) this may be worth a look.

It is yet the second poll that I have posted debunking the "stupid voter" myth. I think we can lay that to rest now. Possibly the most interesting comparisons are how Bush fared within a given group in 2000 vs 2004. He did better in nearly all categories.

If you're really interested in the trends and tactics of this election, you should be watching CSPAN. Toby Fabrizio, a top gop pollster, and Douglas Schoen, a top dem pollster, have provided some insights as to strategies used, which ones were effective, and why. I have been suprised on several instances.