I've heard a lot about ceroc lately, and aside from "it's a fun mix of jive and salsa" and "the name came from c'est la roc" I can't find anything about it. Can someone tell me the count/basic/style? I feel so ignorant, so very ignorant...
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Quote The beauty of this dance is it teaches you moves without complicated footwork and once the basic moves are learnt you can either concentrate of more complex moves or musicality AND the best of all you can dance it to anything with a decent beat
She described as being another name for modern jive.
http://www.cliftonleroc.co.uk/special.htm and gave us a clip.
There are a few ceroc dancers that occasionally come to swing events in Melbourne. They seem to need about 3 times as much space to dance in as the average Lindy couple, and in some of the smaller venues, that gets annoying/dangerous.
Speak only if you can improve the silence. - Quaker saying (via @Rikomatic)
Never heard of it. But after watching the video, I have a hard time seeing the difference between WCS and ceroc. Maybe someone more knowledgable about either dance could enlighten me?
Quoted from "saracynthia" Never heard of it. But after watching the video, I have a hard time seeing the difference between WCS and ceroc. Maybe someone more knowledgable about either dance could enlighten me?
I see no obvious similarities between that video and WCS, aside from both being danced in an upright posture. They're not dancing in a slot, with the exception of the couple with a leader dressed in black; they're doing a ton of lifts and drops; their footwork looks to be largely an afterthought or done for styling; about the only time they have a connection other than R-L is when doing an aerial; there was almost nothing corresponding to a push break, side pass, or whip, which are fundamental elements of WCS; and the music doesn't sound like it would inspire most WCS dancers even if the tempo is in the right ballpark.
I get a slightly more ECS-ish vibe off it than any other swing dance I know, but it doesn't seem closely related to any of ECS, Lindy, or WCS as practiced today.
Quoted from "saracynthia" Never heard of it. But after watching the video, I have a hard time seeing the difference between WCS and ceroc. Maybe someone more knowledgable about either dance could enlighten me?
Aside the fact that both are dances and that the leads tend to be guys, the follows gals, I see no similarity whatsoever.
I went to a few ceroc events held in Glasgow, Scotland, while I was there a few years ago. I did fine following as though I were dancing a sort of connection-less west coast swing dance, but my footwork was clearly out of place because most people did none. That is, they moved their feet whenever they wanted to take a step in a certain direction, but they didn't seem to have the ethic that footfalls should correspond to the beats of the music.
It seemed to me like a sort of swing dance lite. One doesn't have to learn any footwork or rhythms, so the only thing left in the dance are various ways of spinning your partner or yourself. The better ceroc dancers could spin me so that my turns started and ended in similar timing to WCS. And since there is no rhythm to the dance, you can dance it to most music.
Heck, after going without swing dancing of any sort in Dublin for months at a time, I was thrilled to find a place to go Ceroc dancing.
found this from a google search http://www.ceroc.com/....and I think that ceroc is the copyrighted name (but could be wrong here)
Quote or those of you who have stumbled across our site, here's what you've been missing out on...
Learning to partner with Ceroc is the fastest growing dance phenomenon in the country. This fusion of Jive and Salsa is easy to learn, sociable and fun, and can be danced to any music with a regular beat. Ceroc DJ's play music ranging from 40's swing through to current chart hits. A Ceroc evening provides a great way to meet people, have fun and keep fit.
James Cronin originally devised the dance for a single fun night out in 1980. Since then Ceroc has developed its own unique style which is easy to learn and great fun. One of the great things about it is that there is no need to bring a partner or enroll on a course! You can just turn up to whatever venue you like, as and when you like.
The number of people learning to partner dance with Ceroc has steadily been growing over 20 years, and today there are 120 Ceroc nights in the UK and classes in Australia, New Zealand, Dubai and throughout Europe.
If you can't find a Ceroc venue near you, perhaps you should think about starting your own click here
So why is Ceroc so great?
Complete beginners are welcome every week
It's fun and easy to learn and there are complete beginners every week so you are never alone.
It's primarily social, a complete night out
What are you waiting for? Get out there and try i
(edited to add quote from the ceroc website regarding what ceroc is)
Quoted from "Deacon Jones" Ceroc is supposed to be the same as Leroc but one of the two is a copyrighted name. (Kind of like: Xerox versus Photocopy)
There's no such thing as "Leroc," according to my French friend who dances "rock" a lot. He says you can give "rock" an article and call it "le rock," but he laughed when I misspelled it without the k and said, "Have you seen Pulp Fiction? Le roc reminds me of le bigmac!"
Anyway, "rock" social dancing doesn't remind me of salsa any more than east coast swing does--I suppose they share some arm movement patterns, especially at beginner-intermediate levels.
"Rock" as a social dance, not as a competitive sport (especially that acrobatic stuff), is a lot like East Coast Swing in that it's the partner dance just about every middle class person in town knows how to do over there. You know, you learn a few steps in your friend's living room before going to a big high school party, and then you think you're an awesome dancer for life, because you bust it out where no one can dance at all. Little do you know that there are people who go out doing this stuff every night. And, much like east coast swing, the venues where rock is danced (but lindy isn't) are full of people who have more practice and a bigger arsenal of moves than the adolescence-trained dancers, but really don't have any more connection.
Incidentally, I've heard "bug" (not sure if that's spelled right--pronounced more like "boog") is kind of like that in Sweden. There's proper competitive stuff, and then there's the kind everyone knows how to do 2 steps of.
I'll see if I can find any clips of dancers doing "le rock" socially--I might have some in the background of lindy clips I took in Paris, or maybe I just took some videos of dear friends dancing rock.
While I lived in London, I danced Ceroc on a regular basis for over a year. It is an arm-led dance (most of the moves originate with both partners holding both hands with each other, and therefore at least 2 feet away from each other, which requires more space than swing/Lindy) and the footwork is not emphasized. You can dance Ceroc to almost any 4-count music - swing, house, latin, etc. - and it's therefore very versatile. Rarely is there a "rock step". Amazingly, in a crowded venue with everyone dancing Ceroc, despite the fact that each couple takes up so much space, it "works" ... but in a crowded venue with swing dancers, and one or two couples are dancing Ceroc, there can be a space problem.
Ceroc is a franchise - unless you are part of the franchise, if you teach that dance, you can't call it Ceroc. So a number of "modern jive" instructors are actually teaching Ceroc, but are calling it Modern Jive.
Some people might see a similarity between Ceroc and WCS because of the costumes in championships, and also a number of the Ceroc moves have a greater element of sexiness/sultriness to them than swing/Lindy. But Ceroc is not danced in a slot at all. This might help give a better picture of what the dance is all about.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
Now, if you're still curious about what it isn't, I dug out some clips of Parisians dancing "le rock." My Brussels friend says that some teachers might teach things more like this and call it "boogie," but when I saw "boogie" done in Herrang by people from the south of France, I would've sworn it was slightly different--a little more controlled, a little more insistent on triple-stepping, and a little more connection, even if the moves were similar and the count was the same (1,2, triple-step, triple-step).
I saw all this because the lindy hoppers had to share their public swing nights with rock dancers. Lindy hoppers often crashed Friday night rock dances in the park (the rock dancers were gracious enough to mix in a set of big band for them), and rock dancers flooded the Tuesday night lindy dance in turn. It usually meant less room for lindy, but it really encouraged crossing over (usually from rock to lindy, not the other way around, as lindy hoppers felt like rock was just arm-yanking into uncomfortable cutesey poses), especially since there were lessons before the dance organized by lindy hoppers.
From the footage I saw yesterday on various websites and that provided by Kitkat I'd say it is innacurate to describe Ceroc as a mix of Swing and Salsa.
For one thing Salsa has fancy footwork and the Ceroc I saw has virtually none. I'd say it looks more like beginning DC Hand dancing.
Except that DC hand dancing has very specific intricate footwork and is done to a very specific beat, so there's really no similarity there at all, with the exception of some of the lifts and drops, which are common to WCS and hustle as well.
Ceroc could be called a mix of swing and salsa because the intermediate/advance level close moves are more seductive (like salsa). However, the beginner moves do not incorporate the salsa styling - in the same way that beginner Lindy doesn't look anything like the Lindy most of us dance.
This link demonstrates some of the beginner moves ... you will notice it's not called Ceroc (remember: franchise name) but these are beginner Ceroc moves.
For move advanced routines, you can view these clips:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv1.mov
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv2.mov
For advance close moves, which have more salsa influence:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/cm04.mov
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
OMG, these videos are just horrible, and people dance like that in france?
The last move should be a classic "Hi, I think I finished fondeling your breasts, now I will do a whip. lets see, how did that one go? rockstep something... oh what the hell, just butch it and I will grope you instead".
Quoted from "mover" OMG, these videos are just horrible, and people dance like that in france?
Ceroc was created in England - and yes, they dance like that in England ... and France ... and Australia ... and America ... wherever Ceroc/Modern Jive is danced.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
It's very easy to spot a Ceroc couple in a lindy room (occassionally Fram gets visitor from overseas who dance Ceroc instead of swing): there's a noticable lack of foot work - it's clearly arm lead. If it's all flash without footwork, then you're probably looking at a couple dancing Ceroc.
I started dancing when a friend dragged me out to the then-weekly modern jive dance in New York. I thought being able to learn about and feel the beginnings of connection and musicality without having to worry about remembering any footwork was extremely helpful, easing the learning curve greatly. It was when deprived of the dance while on internship in DC that I crossed over into learning swing just to ease the dance withdrawal a bit.
I went out and danced Ceroc once in Munich, before finding the lindy hoppers in the city. OpeningMinds' description is good based on what I've seen of it.
As for the description as a "combination of swing and salsa," I think that's more of a marketing question than one of the actual origins of the dance. Think about it...what did everyone ask when they heard the name 'ceroc'? What the heck is that? Connecting ceroc to some known quanitity like salsa or swing (which most people have at least heard of, if not seen in any number of movies or danced once in the '90s) is a way to give it validity and get them in the door.
my 2 cents
Quoted from "OpeningMinds" For move advanced routines, you can view these clips:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv1.mov
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv2.mov
For advance close moves, which have more salsa influence:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/cm04.mov
Oy vey. I have nothing in principle against the lack of footwork (you will see many "swing" dancers on the floor who fudge their footwork socially anyway), but if anyone ever touched me like that guy in the last video during a dance? I'd tell Wexie, and hopefully the sleazeball'd get "dealt with" shortly after. ;)
I love the way she says"oy vey", and I didn't even bring her the humentashen yet. Anyway as for that last clip. I did hear wcs music, and what looked like some wcs and possibly blues moves. But it was pretty yucky to watch. There was no footwork and the form was terrible. One thing you can't call is is a combination of swing and salsa. I don't know what it is, except maybe "dancing lite"???
It's not swing - it's not salsa ... it's a different dance style. The advance close moves are only done with partners that you know really well - there's a huge element of trust required that is usually lacking with your average social dance partner.
The music is usually club/house music ... whatever "pop" music is de riguer - however, Ceroc can be danced to swing, blues, latin, etc. Pretty much anything except a waltz.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
Maybe it's just me but I don't see anything all that inappropriate in the last video. Isn't that last move done by Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey in the ballroom scene in "Dirty Dancing"? Hmm, it was in a movie called "Dirty Dancing" so maybe that's not a good example to choose from even if the biggest problem with that move in the movie was her being ticklish.
I see a lot of great dancers that fudge the footwork in Lindy. In fact it seems as I try to learn by watching New Yorks finest at places like Frim-Fram, the better the dancer the less they pay attention to the actual footwork. They just seem to know where they are in the music and are always on the beat. I find it's very freeing to both do and watch.
I did take a Modern Jive class about 3 years ago but I was just learning Lindy then and found it to be confusing and not nearly as much fun as Lindy. Maybe I'll have to revisit it because I found I liked all the clips.
Quoted from "JefrSki" I see a lot of great dancers that fudge the footwork in Lindy. In fact it seems as I try to learn by watching New Yorks finest at places like Frim-Fram, the better the dancer the less they pay attention to the actual footwork. They just seem to know where they are in the music and are always on the beat. I find it's very freeing to both do and watch.
I'm really curious who you're watching at Fram. The people that I consider NYC's finest, most definitely do NOT fudge the footwork.
Quoted from "JefrSki" I see a lot of great dancers that fudge the footwork in Lindy. In fact it seems as I try to learn by watching New Yorks finest at places like Frim-Fram, the better the dancer the less they pay attention to the actual footwork. They just seem to know where they are in the music and are always on the beat. I find it's very freeing to both do and watch.
There's a big difference between "fudging" footwork and having a bigger footwork vocabulary than someone watching is able to understand.
It's very true that the more advanced a dancer gets, the less likely they are to be dancing "step step triple step" type footwork. That is considered basic or elementary and often gets replaced by other variations as a dancer gets better. And if that's what you mean then I agree.
But that's hardly the same as "fudging".
In fact, it takes a very high skill level to be on the left foot while keeping your weight over to the right because that's where the leader is asking for it to be.
It also takes quite a bit of balance and centering to do a layed out kick back on the 1,2 while leading a follower to come forward for a swingout.
That ain't fudging.
That's some tough sh t.
And while some of the viewing "audience" may not understand the difficulty in using your feet differently while feeling connected to your partner, it is usually quite clear when someone is just stepping wrong because they don't know the dance well enough or have made a mistake - my definition of "fudging".
What *is* ceroc?
It's Wonderful
I've heard a lot about ceroc lately, and aside from "it's a fun mix of jive and salsa" and "the name came from c'est la roc" I can't find anything about it. Can someone tell me the count/basic/style? I feel so ignorant, so very ignorant...
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shepkatt
I couldn't find much out about it either... but this guy's web page has some more information then the plain ol Ceroc propoganda page puts out.
http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/nikolas.lloyd/dance/ceroc.html
westiegrrl
We had a Londoner on StrictlyWestie describe it:
She described as being another name for modern jive.
http://www.cliftonleroc.co.uk/special.htm and gave us a clip.
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Dr. Frankenswing
It sounds like some kind of grape vodka or something tasty like that ...
Deacon Jones
Ceroc is supposed to be the same as Leroc but one of the two is a copyrighted name. (Kind of like: Xerox versus Photocopy)
http://www.modernjive.com/VideosOther.html
http://www.modernjive.com/videosmain.html
Henry Hui Hui
There are a few ceroc dancers that occasionally come to swing events in Melbourne. They seem to need about 3 times as much space to dance in as the average Lindy couple, and in some of the smaller venues, that gets annoying/dangerous.
Speak only if you can improve the silence. - Quaker saying (via @Rikomatic)
saracynthia
Never heard of it. But after watching the video, I have a hard time seeing the difference between WCS and ceroc. Maybe someone more knowledgable about either dance could enlighten me?
jpl
I see no obvious similarities between that video and WCS, aside from both being danced in an upright posture. They're not dancing in a slot, with the exception of the couple with a leader dressed in black; they're doing a ton of lifts and drops; their footwork looks to be largely an afterthought or done for styling; about the only time they have a connection other than R-L is when doing an aerial; there was almost nothing corresponding to a push break, side pass, or whip, which are fundamental elements of WCS; and the music doesn't sound like it would inspire most WCS dancers even if the tempo is in the right ballpark.
I get a slightly more ECS-ish vibe off it than any other swing dance I know, but it doesn't seem closely related to any of ECS, Lindy, or WCS as practiced today.
Deacon Jones
Aside the fact that both are dances and that the leads tend to be guys, the follows gals, I see no similarity whatsoever.
Sommerg
I went to a few ceroc events held in Glasgow, Scotland, while I was there a few years ago. I did fine following as though I were dancing a sort of connection-less west coast swing dance, but my footwork was clearly out of place because most people did none. That is, they moved their feet whenever they wanted to take a step in a certain direction, but they didn't seem to have the ethic that footfalls should correspond to the beats of the music.
It seemed to me like a sort of swing dance lite. One doesn't have to learn any footwork or rhythms, so the only thing left in the dance are various ways of spinning your partner or yourself. The better ceroc dancers could spin me so that my turns started and ended in similar timing to WCS. And since there is no rhythm to the dance, you can dance it to most music.
Heck, after going without swing dancing of any sort in Dublin for months at a time, I was thrilled to find a place to go Ceroc dancing.
scottie
found this from a google search http://www.ceroc.com/....and I think that ceroc is the copyrighted name (but could be wrong here)
(edited to add quote from the ceroc website regarding what ceroc is)
kitkat
There's no such thing as "Leroc," according to my French friend who dances "rock" a lot. He says you can give "rock" an article and call it "le rock," but he laughed when I misspelled it without the k and said, "Have you seen Pulp Fiction? Le roc reminds me of le bigmac!"
Anyway, "rock" social dancing doesn't remind me of salsa any more than east coast swing does--I suppose they share some arm movement patterns, especially at beginner-intermediate levels.
"Rock" as a social dance, not as a competitive sport (especially that acrobatic stuff), is a lot like East Coast Swing in that it's the partner dance just about every middle class person in town knows how to do over there. You know, you learn a few steps in your friend's living room before going to a big high school party, and then you think you're an awesome dancer for life, because you bust it out where no one can dance at all. Little do you know that there are people who go out doing this stuff every night. And, much like east coast swing, the venues where rock is danced (but lindy isn't) are full of people who have more practice and a bigger arsenal of moves than the adolescence-trained dancers, but really don't have any more connection.
Incidentally, I've heard "bug" (not sure if that's spelled right--pronounced more like "boog") is kind of like that in Sweden. There's proper competitive stuff, and then there's the kind everyone knows how to do 2 steps of.
I'll see if I can find any clips of dancers doing "le rock" socially--I might have some in the background of lindy clips I took in Paris, or maybe I just took some videos of dear friends dancing rock.
OpeningMinds
While I lived in London, I danced Ceroc on a regular basis for over a year. It is an arm-led dance (most of the moves originate with both partners holding both hands with each other, and therefore at least 2 feet away from each other, which requires more space than swing/Lindy) and the footwork is not emphasized. You can dance Ceroc to almost any 4-count music - swing, house, latin, etc. - and it's therefore very versatile. Rarely is there a "rock step". Amazingly, in a crowded venue with everyone dancing Ceroc, despite the fact that each couple takes up so much space, it "works" ... but in a crowded venue with swing dancers, and one or two couples are dancing Ceroc, there can be a space problem.
Ceroc is a franchise - unless you are part of the franchise, if you teach that dance, you can't call it Ceroc. So a number of "modern jive" instructors are actually teaching Ceroc, but are calling it Modern Jive.
Some people might see a similarity between Ceroc and WCS because of the costumes in championships, and also a number of the Ceroc moves have a greater element of sexiness/sultriness to them than swing/Lindy. But Ceroc is not danced in a slot at all.
This might help give a better picture of what the dance is all about.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
kitkat
Thanks for the help on what Ceroc is!
Now, if you're still curious about what it isn't, I dug out some clips of Parisians dancing "le rock." My Brussels friend says that some teachers might teach things more like this and call it "boogie," but when I saw "boogie" done in Herrang by people from the south of France, I would've sworn it was slightly different--a little more controlled, a little more insistent on triple-stepping, and a little more connection, even if the moves were similar and the count was the same (1,2, triple-step, triple-step).
-Here's someone trying and failing to get started dancing rock at a block party
-Ignore the guy in the plaid shirt and baseball cap; he's a lindy hopper.
-The couple whose lead is wearing black is particularly typical of decent rock dancing. The big guy in white has had some lindy training.
-I can't remember who this guy is, but I'm pretty sure he's had some lindy training, and I know the girl was recently starting to train herself in lindy. Nevertheless, I'd say they're doing more of rock.
-Same couple, only influenced by the fact that they both know Charleston fairly well.
-An experienced lindy lead leading 6-count lindy on that rock lead (who's following now) from the last 2 videos. It could be personal differences, but I think this video also shows a bit of stylistic difference between the way the two dancers anchor their weight (or don't).
-Boy am I glad this guy was cute. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have taken a video of someone who wasn't a very experienced dancer and didn't know any lindy.
-A shot of the crowd, mostly if not entirely doing rock.
-A rock dancer who'd had some lindy training and especially loved doing 6-count swingouts and circles but was otherwise a rock dancer.
I saw all this because the lindy hoppers had to share their public swing nights with rock dancers. Lindy hoppers often crashed Friday night rock dances in the park (the rock dancers were gracious enough to mix in a set of big band for them), and rock dancers flooded the Tuesday night lindy dance in turn. It usually meant less room for lindy, but it really encouraged crossing over (usually from rock to lindy, not the other way around, as lindy hoppers felt like rock was just arm-yanking into uncomfortable cutesey poses), especially since there were lessons before the dance organized by lindy hoppers.
Anyway, one more video for your entertainment: a man who just couldn't keep his feet still whenever he heard music during the lesson.
(You must have the XVid codec installed. These videos won't play straight off the internet. Download them to your hard drive first.)
Deacon Jones
From the footage I saw yesterday on various websites and that provided by Kitkat I'd say it is innacurate to describe Ceroc as a mix of Swing and Salsa.
For one thing Salsa has fancy footwork and the Ceroc I saw has virtually none. I'd say it looks more like beginning DC Hand dancing.
grasshopper
Except that DC hand dancing has very specific intricate footwork and is done to a very specific beat, so there's really no similarity there at all, with the exception of some of the lifts and drops, which are common to WCS and hustle as well.
kitkat
Well, Deacon Jones, keep in mind that the clips I posted are not Ceroc. They're "le rock," which I'm saying might be quite different from Ceroc.
OpeningMinds
Ceroc could be called a mix of swing and salsa because the intermediate/advance level close moves are more seductive (like salsa). However, the beginner moves do not incorporate the salsa styling - in the same way that beginner Lindy doesn't look anything like the Lindy most of us dance.
This link demonstrates some of the beginner moves ... you will notice it's not called Ceroc (remember: franchise name) but these are beginner Ceroc moves.
For move advanced routines, you can view these clips:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv1.mov
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/adv2.mov
For advance close moves, which have more salsa influence:
http://www.ceroc.com.au/dvds/cm04.mov
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
mover
OMG, these videos are just horrible, and people dance like that in france?
The last move should be a classic "Hi, I think I finished fondeling your breasts, now I will do a whip. lets see, how did that one go? rockstep something... oh what the hell, just butch it and I will grope you instead".
OpeningMinds
Ceroc was created in England - and yes, they dance like that in England ... and France ... and Australia ... and America ... wherever Ceroc/Modern Jive is danced.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
RubyMae
It's very easy to spot a Ceroc couple in a lindy room (occassionally Fram gets visitor from overseas who dance Ceroc instead of swing): there's a noticable lack of foot work - it's clearly arm lead. If it's all flash without footwork, then you're probably looking at a couple dancing Ceroc.
adara
I started dancing when a friend dragged me out to the then-weekly modern jive dance in New York. I thought being able to learn about and feel the beginnings of connection and musicality without having to worry about remembering any footwork was extremely helpful, easing the learning curve greatly. It was when deprived of the dance while on internship in DC that I crossed over into learning swing just to ease the dance withdrawal a bit.
CaveTroll
I went out and danced Ceroc once in Munich, before finding the lindy hoppers in the city. OpeningMinds' description is good based on what I've seen of it.
As for the description as a "combination of swing and salsa," I think that's more of a marketing question than one of the actual origins of the dance. Think about it...what did everyone ask when they heard the name 'ceroc'? What the heck is that? Connecting ceroc to some known quanitity like salsa or swing (which most people have at least heard of, if not seen in any number of movies or danced once in the '90s) is a way to give it validity and get them in the door.
my 2 cents
TinyMich
Oy vey. I have nothing in principle against the lack of footwork (you will see many "swing" dancers on the floor who fudge their footwork socially anyway), but if anyone ever touched me like that guy in the last video during a dance? I'd tell Wexie, and hopefully the sleazeball'd get "dealt with" shortly after. ;)
Jerry
I love the way she says"oy vey", and I didn't even bring her the humentashen yet. Anyway as for that last clip. I did hear wcs music, and what looked like some wcs and possibly blues moves. But it was pretty yucky to watch. There was no footwork and the form was terrible. One thing you can't call is is a combination of swing and salsa. I don't know what it is, except maybe "dancing lite"???
OpeningMinds
It's not swing - it's not salsa ... it's a different dance style. The advance close moves are only done with partners that you know really well - there's a huge element of trust required that is usually lacking with your average social dance partner.
The music is usually club/house music ... whatever "pop" music is de riguer - however, Ceroc can be danced to swing, blues, latin, etc. Pretty much anything except a waltz.
"Change your thoughts, and you change your world" - Norman Vincent Peale.
JefrSki
Maybe it's just me but I don't see anything all that inappropriate in the last video. Isn't that last move done by Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey in the ballroom scene in "Dirty Dancing"? Hmm, it was in a movie called "Dirty Dancing" so maybe that's not a good example to choose from even if the biggest problem with that move in the movie was her being ticklish.
I see a lot of great dancers that fudge the footwork in Lindy. In fact it seems as I try to learn by watching New Yorks finest at places like Frim-Fram, the better the dancer the less they pay attention to the actual footwork. They just seem to know where they are in the music and are always on the beat. I find it's very freeing to both do and watch.
I did take a Modern Jive class about 3 years ago but I was just learning Lindy then and found it to be confusing and not nearly as much fun as Lindy. Maybe I'll have to revisit it because I found I liked all the clips.
oopsmybad
if i were you, in that case, i would want to be damned sure i am not one of the people perceived as "creepy old men" in the scene...
that last video? blech. get a room.
RubyMae
I'm really curious who you're watching at Fram. The people that I consider NYC's finest, most definitely do NOT fudge the footwork.
mouth
There's a big difference between "fudging" footwork and having a bigger footwork vocabulary than someone watching is able to understand.
It's very true that the more advanced a dancer gets, the less likely they are to be dancing "step step triple step" type footwork. That is considered basic or elementary and often gets replaced by other variations as a dancer gets better. And if that's what you mean then I agree.
But that's hardly the same as "fudging".
In fact, it takes a very high skill level to be on the left foot while keeping your weight over to the right because that's where the leader is asking for it to be.
It also takes quite a bit of balance and centering to do a layed out kick back on the 1,2 while leading a follower to come forward for a swingout.
That ain't fudging.
That's some tough sh t.
And while some of the viewing "audience" may not understand the difficulty in using your feet differently while feeling connected to your partner, it is usually quite clear when someone is just stepping wrong because they don't know the dance well enough or have made a mistake - my definition of "fudging".
yes.
preach. on.
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