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What's your opinion of this essay/book review about Islam?

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  • Posted Saturday, January 5, 2008
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I think the most interesting part of the review is her conclusion that the moral relativism and multiculturalism that tend to embrace radical Islam are products of Romanticism instead of Reason.


THE SUICIDE OF REASON

Radical Islam’s Threat to the Enlightenment.

By Lee Harris.

290 pp. Basic Books. $26.

Reviewed by Ayaan Hirsi Ali: author of 'Infidel,'

By AYAAN HIRSI ALI Published: January 6, 2008

Several authors have published books on radical Islam’s threat to the West since that shocking morning in September six years ago. With “The Suicide of Reason,” Lee Harris joins their ranks. But he distinguishes himself by going further than most of his counterparts: he considers the very worst possibility — the destruction of the West by radical Islam. There is a sense of urgency in his writing, a desire to shake awake the leaders of the West, to confront them with their failure to understand that they are engaged in a war with an adversary who fights by the law of the jungle.

Harris, the author of “Civilization and Its Enemies: The Next Stage of History,” devotes most of his book to identifying and distinguishing between two kinds of fanaticism. The first is Islamic fanaticism, a formidable enemy in the struggle for cultural survival. In Harris’s view, this fanaticism has acted as a “defense mechanism,” shielding Islam from the pressures of the changing world around it and allowing it to expand into territories and cultures where it had previously been unknown.

With few exceptions, Harris sees Islamic expansion as permanent. Although this point is arguable, he bravely attempts to make the case that the entry of Islam into another culture produces changes on every level, from political to personal: “Wherever Islam has spread, there has occurred a total and revolutionary transformation in the culture of those conquered or converted.”

In describing the imperialist nature of Islam, Harris suggests that it is distinct from the Roman, British and French empires. He views Islamic imperialism as a single-minded expansion of the religion itself; the empire that it envisions is governed by Allah. In this sense, the idea of jihad is less about the inner struggle for peace and justice and more about a grand mission of conversion. It should be said, however, that Harris’s argument is incomplete, since he does not address the spread of Christianity in the Roman, British and French empires.

The expansion of Islam is perhaps more potent than the expansion of the Christian empires (including Rome after Constantine) because the concept of separating the sacred from the profane has never been acceptable in Islam the way it has been in Christianity. The Romans, the British and the French went about annexing large parts of the world more for earthly or material gain than for spiritual dominance. Under these empires, the clergy was allowed to propagate its faith as long as it did not jeopardize imperial interests.

Harris goes on to argue that the Muslim world, since it is governed by the law of the jungle, makes group survival paramount. This explains in part the willingness of Muslims to become martyrs for the larger community, the umma — uniting peoples separated by geographical boundaries, with different cultures, heritages and languages. According to Harris, this sense of solidarity is sustainable only with the weapon of fanaticism, which obligates each member of the umma to convert infidels and to threaten those who attempt to leave with death. That is, the aim of Muslim culture, so different from that of the West, is both to preserve and to convert, and this is what enables it to spread across the globe.

The second fanaticism that Harris identifies is one he views as infecting Western societies; he calls it a “fanaticism of reason.” Reason, he says, contains within itself a potential fatality because it blinds Western leaders to the true nature of Islamic-influenced cultures. Westerners see these cultures merely as different versions of the world they know, with dominant values similar to those espoused in their own culture. But this, Harris argues, is a fatal mistake. It implies that the West fails to appreciate both its history and the true nature of its opposition.

Nor, he points out, is the failure linked to a particular political outlook. Liberals and conservatives alike share this misperception. Noam Chomsky and Paul Wolfowitz agreed, Harris writes, “that you couldn’t really blame the terrorists, since they were merely the victims of an evil system — for Chomsky, American imperialism, for Wolfowitz, the corrupt and despotic regimes of the Middle East.” That is to say, while left and right may disagree on the causes and the remedies, they both overlook the fanaticism inherent in Islam itself. Driven by their blind faith in reason, they interpret the problem in a way that is familiar to them, in order to find a solution that fits within their doctrine of reason. The same is true for such prominent intellectuals as Samuel Huntington and Francis Fukuyama.

Harris does not regard Islamic fanaticism as a deviancy or a madness that affects a few Muslims and terrifies many. Instead he argues that fanaticism is the basic principle in Islam. “The Muslims are, from an early age, indoctrinated into a shaming code that demands a fanatical rejection of anything that threatens to subvert the supremacy of Islam,” he writes. During the years that this shaming code is instilled into children, the collective is emphasized above the individual and his freedoms. A good Muslim must forsake all: his property, family, children, even life for the sake of Islam. Boys in particular are taught to be dominating and merciless, which has the effect of creating a society of holy warriors.

By contrast, the West has cultivated an ethos of individualism, reason and tolerance, and an elaborate system in which every actor, from the individual to the nation-state, seeks to resolve conflict through words. The entire system is built on the idea of self-interest. This ethos rejects fanaticism. The alpha male is pacified and groomed to study hard, find a good job and plan prudently for retirement: “While we in America are drugging our alpha boys with Ritalin,” Harris writes, “the Muslims are doing everything in their power to encourage their alpha boys to be tough, aggressive and ruthless.”

The West has variously tried to convert, to assimilate and to seduce Muslims into modernity, but, Harris says, none of these approaches have succeeded. Meanwhile, our worship of reason is making us easy prey for a ruthless, unscrupulous and extremely aggressive predator and may be contributing to a slow cultural “suicide.”

Harris’s book is so engaging that it is difficult to put down, and its haunting assessments make it difficult for a reader to sleep at night. He deserves praise for raising serious questions. But his arguments are not entirely sound.

I disagree, for instance, that the way to rescue Western civilization from a path of suicide is to challenge its tradition of reason. Indeed, for all his understanding of the rise of fanaticism in general and its Islamic manifestation in particular, Harris’s use of the term “reason” is faulty.

Enlightenment thinkers, preoccupied with both individual freedom and secular and limited government, argued that human reason is fallible. They understood that reason is more than just rational thought; it is also a process of trial and error, the ability to learn from past mistakes. The Enlightenment cannot be fully appreciated without a strong awareness of just how frail human reason is. That is why concepts like doubt and reflection are central to any form of decision-making based on reason.

Harris is pessimistic in a way that the Enlightenment thinkers were not. He takes a Darwinian view of the struggle between clashing cultures, criticizing the West for an ethos of selfishness, and he follows Hegel in asserting that where the interest of the individual collides with that of the state, it is the state that should prevail. This is why he attributes such strength to Islamic fanaticism. The collectivity of the umma elevates the communal interest above that of the individual believer. Each Muslim is a slave, first of God, then of the caliphate. Although Harris does not condone this extreme subversion of the self, still a note of admiration seems to creep into his descriptions of Islam’s fierce solidarity, its adherence to tradition and the willingness of individual Muslims to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the greater good.

In addition, Harris extols American exceptionalism together with Hegel as if there were no contradiction between the two. But what makes America unique, especially in contrast to Europe, is its resistance to the philosophy of Hegel with its concept of a unifying world spirit. It is the individual that matters most in the United States. And more generally, it is individuals who make cultures and who break them. Social and cultural evolution has always relied on individuals — to reform, persuade, cajole or force. Culture is formed by the collective agreement of individuals. At the same time, it is crucial that we not fall into the trap of assuming that the survival tactics of individuals living in tribal societies — like lying, hypocrisy, secrecy, violence, intimidation, and so forth — are in the interest of the modern individual or his culture.

I was not born in the West. I was raised with the code of Islam, and from birth I was indoctrinated into a tribal mind-set. Yet I have changed, I have adopted the values of the Enlightenment, and as a result I have to live with the rejection of my native clan as well as the Islamic tribe. Why have I done so? Because in a tribal society, life is cruel and terrible. And I am not alone. Muslims have been migrating to the West in droves for decades now. They are in search of a better life. Yet their tribal and cultural constraints have traveled with them. And the multiculturalism and moral relativism that reign in the West have accommodated this.

Harris is correct, I believe, that many Western leaders are terribly confused about the Islamic world. They are woefully uninformed and often unwilling to confront the tribal nature of Islam. The problem, however, is not too much reason but too little. Harris also fails to address the enemies of reason within the West: religion and the Romantic movement. It is out of rejection of religion that the Enlightenment emerged; Romanticism was a revolt against reason.

Both the Romantic movement and organized religion have contributed a great deal to the arts and to the spirituality of the Western mind, but they share a hostility to modernity. Moral and cultural relativism (and their popular manifestation, multiculturalism) are the hallmarks of the Romantics. To argue that reason is the mother of the current mess the West is in is to miss the major impact this movement has had, first in the West and perhaps even more profoundly outside the West, particularly in Muslim lands.

Thus, it is not reason that accommodates and encourages the persistent segregation and tribalism of immigrant Muslim populations in the West. It is Romanticism. Multiculturalism and moral relativism promote an idealization of tribal life and have shown themselves to be impervious to empirical criticism. My reasons for reproaching today’s Western leaders are different from Harris’s. I see them squandering a great and vital opportunity to compete with the agents of radical Islam for the minds of Muslims, especially those within their borders. But to do so, they must allow reason to prevail over sentiment.

To argue, as Harris seems to do, that children born and bred in superstitious cultures that value fanaticism and create phalanxes of alpha males are doomed — and will doom others — to an existence governed by the law of the jungle is to ignore the lessons of the West’s own past. There have been periods when the West was less than noble, when it engaged in crusades, inquisitions, witch-burnings and genocides. Many of the Westerners who were born into the law of the jungle, with its alpha males and submissive females, have since become acquainted with the culture of reason and have adopted it. They are even — and this should surely relieve Harris of some of his pessimism — willing to die for it, perhaps with the same fanaticism as the jihadists willing to die for their tribe. In short, while this conflict is undeniably a deadly struggle between cultures, it is individuals who will determine the outcome.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, is the author of “Infidel.”

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  • Joined 2/16/04
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  • Post #1
  • Originally posted Saturday, January 5, 2008 (4 years ago)

I have to read the book before I can say if it was a fair critique.

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To argue, as Harris seems to do, that children born and bred in superstitious cultures that value fanaticism and create phalanxes of alpha males are doomed and will doom others to an existence governed by the law of the jungle is to ignore the lessons of the West s own past. There have been periods when the West was less than noble, when it engaged in crusades, inquisitions, witch-burnings and genocides.

Violence was and remains an appropriate response to people engaged in crusades, inquisitions, witch-burnings, genocide and terrorism. To do otherwise will doom their victims to a poor, nasty, brutish, and short existence.

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  • Post #2
  • Originally posted Saturday, January 5, 2008 (4 years ago)

Maybe they wait to long before having their bris done? :dunno:

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  • Post #3
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)

Thank you for posting the review by Ayan Hirsi Ali. I feel she is a good authority to review such a book. I don't know how ready anyone is for such a thesis as the outright rejection of one of the world's three major religions as the cause of the problems we face with terrorism. I would be more apt to place the blame on the Wahhabist branch of Sunni Islam and the reactionary radicals within the Persian Shi'a rather than Islam as a whole.

I do however agree that the notion that western reason (and worse our own po-mo impulses in multiculturalism) make us more suseptible to the threat of radical Islam being simply another "point of view" in civilization, rather than the antithesis of it.

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #4
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)

Isn't that one of the problems with Islam? Their complete intolerance of other religions? Why do we have to act like them to beat them?

There are a few million Muslims that live within our own borders, does that mean they need to convert in order for American civilization to survive?

Multiculturalism and moral relativism are VALUES in this society. It's what helps make us an open society rather than a closed one. And, most importantly, it's what distinguishes us from the terrorists - we don't win by snuffing out the opposition, we win in the open and free marketplace of ideas.

I agree that there are a lot of issues regarding the way Islam is practiced in the Middle East. Rejecting multiculturalism in our own society is not one of the ways to solve the problem.

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  • Post #5
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)
Quoted from "DCjumper"
I do however agree that the notion that western reason (and worse our own po-mo impulses in multiculturalism) make us more suseptible to the threat of radical Islam being simply another "point of view" in civilization, rather than the antithesis of it.

Well, as I said before if I'm reading her correctly, it isn't Reason that has tolerated Islamic Radicalism as just another point of view, it's Romanticism. I think that multiculturalism (if we're talking about basic live-and-let-live of different cultures within our borders as long as no one physically hurts each other) is a fine idea and practice, but Ali might say that tolerating the intolerant is where Romanticism has let the camel's nose under the tent.

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  • Post #6
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)

From the review, it seems as though he's arguing for the rejection of Western values in order to save them. To destroy our own culture for the sake of trying to save it. It is and was counter-intuitive and the way of people who are seeking to subvert our own values with theirs. In our current political environment, it's often meant scaring Christians evangelicals to supposedly rebuff Islamic extremism without revealing that the means enacted to protect Christianity are many of the very threats they claim of Islam. He also has attributed motives to Western governments that were more benign than the people who were affected by these motives would have claimed.

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  • Post #7
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)
Quoted from "Marcelo"
Isn't that one of the problems with Islam? Their complete intolerance of other religions? Why do we have to act like them to beat them? There are a few million Muslims that live within our own borders, does that mean they need to convert in order for American civilization to survive? Multiculturalism and moral relativism are VALUES in this society. It's what helps make us an open society rather than a closed one. And, most importantly, it's what distinguishes us from the terrorists - we don't win by snuffing out the opposition, we win in the open and free marketplace of ideas. I agree that there are a lot of issues regarding the way Islam is practiced in the Middle East. Rejecting multiculturalism in our own society is not one of the ways to solve the problem.

We are in no fashion acting like the radical Islamists. In their worldview, the United States is but one manifestation of the "kuffar" or cattle for them to either eliminate or sell into slavery. Wahhabi and radical Shi'a Islam were there before the European Colonialism or for that matter the United States (though militant Islamicism through modern means of violence and political organizing can be traced back to Sayyid Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt) and it will endure this and anything else the West has until it consumes the earth. That is its sole ambition: to expand the Umma until all of Dar al Harb has become Dar al Islam. Jihad is their method and that is the "greater" Jihad of external war. Treaties offered by the West would mean nothing to them.

This view is 180 degrees from Westerners being "Children of the Book" in being either Jews or Christians. It does us unintended harm to think these strains of Islam are the same. Ironically, in espousing this, Ayan Hirsi Ali, the reviewer in this piece might find me somewhat naive, but then as a woman who can no longer move anywhere without a bodyguard because of what might happen to her, I wouldn't be surprised.

Similarly, we should consider it at the very least alarming when, in Canadian society, Aqsa Parves's father murders her over her refusal to wear the hijab over what's at times blithely described as a "religious argument", but then the very same Canada wrings its collective hands and considers censoring a paper for running some of Mark Steyn's book America Alone. Clearly, we are not recognizing who the real dangers are in the West and it is that kind of blindness which troubles me.

It is tolerance not cultural relativism nor multiculturalism that makes the United States at the very least an open society, different from our enemies. As for those counties that have accepted a multicultural model of absorbing immigrant societies, well, need I go into the plethora of problems these unassimilated blocs of Arab muslims encounter with their European hosts?

"I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would affront your intelligence." --William F. Buckley Jr.

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  • Post #8
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)

I think we're having the same old argument we always do.

We seem to have an abundance of people well-versed in philosophy around here, and I was hoping people could chime in on Reason vs. Romanticism as viewed through the prism of radical Islam.

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  • Post #9
  • Originally posted Sunday, January 6, 2008 (4 years ago)

I'm still waiting for the answer with regards to what we do with the few million American Muslims. If multiculturalism is the problem, why shouldn't we just mandate that everyone convert to one religion?

Re: Reason vs. Romanticism. It seems to me that being tolerant and accepting of other cultures and religions, provided they act within the rule of law, is a pretty reasonable thing. Multiculturalism doesn't seem overly romantic to me at all. On the contrary, the idea that we Westerners are different from the Muslims and that our culture is intrinsically more peaceful seems INCREDIBLY romantic, as does the idea that we can bomb our way into their hearts and spread American democracy at the barrel of a gun.

Now clearly people will disagree. My point is that the definition of what falls into the categories of romance and reason is VERY much up for debate.

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  • Post #10
  • Originally posted Saturday, January 12, 2008 (4 years ago)

For further insight into the reviewer of this book, check out this interview on the CBC "On the Map". My favorite part comes toward the end. Watch the bewildered look of disbelief as Hirsi cuts through the hosts various moral equivalencies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08EYqwyns-k

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  • Post #11
  • Originally posted Saturday, January 12, 2008 (4 years ago)

A very important distinction is how Arab/Muslim immigrants are treated by Europeans and how they are treated by Americans. Although we tend to think of Europe as a very polyglot, liberal, and tolerant continent, their approach to immigrants and their economies are significantly different from ours.

From what I understand, Arab/Muslim immigrants in France, Germany, and England are treated much like we treated African-Americans during the 1950s-1970s (and as we are still trying to come to terms with as a nation)--they live in very poorly maintained public housing (oftentimes slums); in countries with over 10 unemployment, their employment opportunities are even worse; they are openly mocked and discriminated against by the Europeans (the Mohammed comics, for instance). They are often treated so badly that Paris's immigrant suburbs have exploded into riots the past few summers.

Most of the Arab-Americans that I've met originally arrived as part of the Asian / Vietnam-era migration and followed the path that immigrant groups have followed in the past:

  • Initial Settle in groups of similar cultural backgrounds
  • Set up shops / small professional practices / small businesses
  • Continue language / religious / cultural practices while trying to adapt to the new country
  • Encounter either overt or subtle discrimination and figure out how to deal with it productively
  • Buy a house / Buy a car / Buy a TV / Buy a stereo
  • Have kids
  • Bring in family members to help with business / kids
  • Send kids to school / college
  • Complain about how kids don't appreciate their culture any more

Repeat every dozen or so years with a new ethnic group.

The U.S. immigration model tends to moderate the radicalism of people by encouraging them to join the society and seek their own goals. The European model tends to exacerbate radicalism by maintaining a permanent distinction between the host country and the immigrant community. And, given the overall shortage of jobs for everyone, may rationally be understood as a net economic negative by members of the host ethnic group. Europeans are often less inclined to view immigrants as invited guests.

To an Arab Muslim, immigrating to Europe is often seen as a way out. To Arab Muslims who came to the U.S, immigration is seen, as it is seen by most of world, as an opportunity. People who left for different reasons will also see their new homes very differently.

Consider a 25 year old Arab male in a Kansas City suburb who works at his uncle's kabob restaurant or helps with the accounting at his aunt's medical practice, spends his Saturdays playing Madden '07 on the 42" plasma, standing in line for Juno, and shopping at the Target like everyone else. Immigration to the U.S. usually moderates people's views--we tend to be largely egalitarian and will try to give you a fair opportunity to prove yourself. The same 25 year old in a Paris suburb who is probably unemployed, living in a 150 square foot studio apartment, and subjected to very open discrimination and the company of very angry and radical neighbors is much more likely to have a very negative impact on the world.

If I'm reading the review properly, the author describes the European experience as a rationale for stronger actions against Arab infiltration into their societies and extrapolates the lessons of Europe to the U.S. Given the vastly different experience of Arab immigrants to the U.S. and Arab immigrants to Europe, I don't believe that that approach is at all constructive. In a sense--just because they haven't figured out how to treat an immigrant group properly and constructively doesn't mean we're necessarily doing anything wrong.

The argument also seems to support the open discrimination and demonization of an entire ethic group. As Americans, this is certainly not out of our character but we've also come to realize it's not healthy. Arabs and Muslims are a very important part of the American cultural fabric and are, more often than not, are an important part of our economy. EDIT Many people from many other groups have brought strange and, sometimes, unhealthy practices to our country. And we also need to realize the we've treated other countries very badly in the past as well. Neither is a rationale for rejecting the influences of everyone from a different culture. EDIT

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